Stupid mistake... is the batch lost???

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  1. LordFoul

    LordFoul Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 South Carolina

    I brewed a Rye Pale Ale about 3 weeks ago, and as usual I used a blow off tube in a 1/2 gallon jug that was about 1/2 full of sanitizer solution. Usually I change this out for an airlock after the first week of fermentation, but I guess with all of the Christmas parties, and busy weekends I forgot to change it out.

    Fast forward to yesterday, I decided to cold crash it for a few days before I keg it, so I turned the temperature controller down. When I go out to check it today, I notice that all of the sanitizer solution has been sucked into the carboy through the blowoff tube...

    Am I screwed? will the batch survive, or do I need to dump it?
     
  2. hopsandmalt

    hopsandmalt Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2006 Michigan

    What kind of sanitizer? I would keg, taste, and evaluate. Don't dump it without tasting it first, it's not like you're investing alot of time into bottling.
     
  3. LordFoul

    LordFoul Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 South Carolina

    Star San, about 1/4 gallon worth of solution
     
  4. michaeltrego

    michaeltrego Crusader (447) May 21, 2004 New Hampshire

    Honestly, I have made the same mistake. Cold crashed before swapping from blowoff tube to airlock, and roughly 16 oz. of Star San was pulled back into the carboy. I used gelatin in the keg afterwards to promote clearing just in case. I was fearful that it would be ruined, but it was not detectable at all.
     
  5. hopsandmalt

    hopsandmalt Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2006 Michigan

    Keg it and taste it. It'll probably be fine.
     
  6. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Zealot (722) Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    If the starsan was still at a sufficiently low ph nothing should get in and you shouldn't even notice the difference. If you had a lot of krausen dump out into the blowoff container it might have been enough to raise the ph to where unwanted stuff could occupy the blowoff container and when sucked back into the beer been brought in to the fermentor.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    How did the jug look? Anything strange (other than blowoff yeast) growing in it? If not, you're probably okay, although a half galllon of solution into a 5 gallon batch is going to change your flavor/aroma/bitterness/mouthfeel/etc. a bit.

    How far below your fermenter was the blowoff jug?
     
  8. LordFoul

    LordFoul Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 South Carolina

    Nothing in the jug other than blowoff yeast, and not much of that (OG was 1.059, and I had plenty of headspace in the carboy). The blowoff jug was sitting at the same level as the carboy. The half gallon jug was only half full, so about 1/4 gallon of solution into the 5 gallon batch.
     
  9. GatorBeer

    GatorBeer Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 South Carolina

    One of my highest rated beers was about 1/6th star san when I racked on top of some left in the carboy by accident. I'd guess you'll be fine!
     
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  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I always put the blowoff container much lower than the fermenter, to discourage suck-back from being able to create a reverse siphon.
     
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  11. Ricelikesbeer

    Ricelikesbeer Maven (1,433) Nov 29, 2006 Colorado
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    Yeah that sucks, but I'd taste and smell it. Star San is supposed to be pretty safe even in decent amounts. There have been several tests done where guys have racked their beers right on top of layers of star san and the beers have been fine. I doubt you'll have to dump the batch.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd be interested in reading about those if you have links. I know that what's-his-name from Five Star has said that you could 'probably' ferment a batch with half of the water actually being starsan solution, but did not know there were tests.
     
  13. Ricelikesbeer

    Ricelikesbeer Maven (1,433) Nov 29, 2006 Colorado
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    Sure, let me see if I can pull up some actual articles or quotes. Probably a lot of my recollection on this topic is other brewers trying the same sort of thing, but I thought I remembered some research being done on the subject as well.
     
  14. Ricelikesbeer

    Ricelikesbeer Maven (1,433) Nov 29, 2006 Colorado
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    That being said, I've never tasted that high of concentrations of Star San. While I have no doubt your beer could ferment and finish fine on Star San, I don't know how that would affect the flavor and smell.
     
  15. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    Star san is soap solution with a low pH via Phosphoric Acid. I would say the batch is safe from a chemical point of view, but perhaps not from infection depending on what was growing in there.

    I have never used starsan btw.

    Since you are kegging I would proceed as normal, kegging and keeping cold immediately to keep any infection at bay. Or use some preservative to kill off the organisms. If it tastes like soap then it is up to you if you like that or not.
     
  16. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The first beer event I went to a long time ago had a 5 Star rep touting the benefits of star san. He asked for volunteers, and got 3 or 4 on stage. One of the event organizers was sent to the hotel bar to bring back beer samples. Each glass (can't remember the size, at least 10 oz.) had straight star san added, maybe a teaspoon. The only one the volunteers could say some thing was off in was a glass of Guiness, and they agreed that it look like a lot of the star san was caught in the dense head. I now one of the guys on stage, he is a BJCP National judge, and knows the taste of beer.

    You will be fine as far as the star san goes.
     
  17. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    To drive this point home further, a MSDS for dodecylbenzenesulfonic acid. Keep in mind this is for a 100% solution, no idea what star san % is but after putting 1oz in 5 gallons I bet it alot lower than 100%, which is 100 grams in 100 ml total of solution.

    The dose that will kill half of you is 650mg/kg. Given a 200lb human you need 58 grams. So even if you had the 100% concentrate you would need to drink 58ml. Good luck choking that down.

    Specific gravity of the 100% dodecylbenzenesulfonic acid is 1.060 and starsan is listed at 1.320 which makes absolutely no sense to me. Maybe star san is a 500% solution but that is unlikely since Sigma sells a 70% solution in Isopropanol. Since they use Isopropanol that is an indication it is not as water soluble at higher concentrations as one may like.

    /geeky ramble
     
  18. LordFoul

    LordFoul Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 South Carolina

    UPDATE:
    unfortunately this batch has started to take on a sour-ish and slightly acidic flavor and is somewhat thin and overly dry. The first week/week and a half in the keg the beer seemed fine then it started to slowly take on the off flavors/characteristics. It's not completely undrinkable... yet, but I feel as though it is on its way. I am going to continue to drink it until I have to cry uncle, if for no other reason than to remind me to not make this mistake again
     
  19. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    If it is getting worse, that is not the amount of star san increasing. Just saying.
     
  20. LordFoul

    LordFoul Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 South Carolina

    I figured that maybe the sanitizer solution got contaminated and when it sucked back into the beer it contaminated the beer.
     
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