Stupid State Beer/Liquor Laws

Stated policy is for liquor stores to remain small independent businesses, but that is no reason to prohibit liquor stores from selling beer, mixers, etc. The grocery trade organizations fight that while the liquor store organization fights allowing wine in groceries.
A beer manager and the owner of a beer store reach told me the state didn't allow them to have sales on beer to reduce inventory. I don't have documentation on that.
NYS went to >21 before PA did, it led to a lot of cross border sales and your state liquor authority providing grants to agencies along the border to fund enforcement. If you can enlist, get married, sign contracts, vote you should be able to buy alcohol and cigarettes. If you're not mature enough for one you're not mature enough for the other

 

As to the diving aspect, simply accede to the Cary Grant Syndrome, which is cool, just way cool...Drive like you wish others to drive and never text. No beer before noon on Sunday in the old days was bad for people and business alike. All in all I think the world is tilting back at a nice angle..

 

Yes, although drinking ages are left to the state they were essentially coerced by the federal government. Either raise you're drinking age or lose federal funding...it has something to do with interstate commerce; it was spearheaded by MADD, and codified in the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984.
This law only applies to purchases and not consumption; and, this was actually made recent news when Kyle Rittenhouse was photographed drinking at a bar. This is legal because WI lets minors drink at bars/restaurant if their guardians are present and purchase the liquor.

I've seen variations on this ranging from states letting parents purchase alcohol for their kid at home, ditto with the caveat that parents actually have to be present at home, to parents being able to buy their kid a glass of wine at dinner. I like the intention of these corollaries because it reduces the stigma and taboo of alcohol while reinforcing responsible consumption, at least that's what I'd like to think the spirit of the law to be.

Taking a few examples from Europe. When I was in Bologna, I saw parents pouring their pre-teens a half glass of wine at dinner. In Germany, you can drink beer at 16. The pros and cons of this are up for debate. Yeah, the drinking age is lower, but does science now show that it should actually be higher? Rather than hype the data from one chart, here's a compilation of many to make an aggregate decision. https://ourworldindata.org/alcohol-consumption

 

To a certain point. It's common around here (pre-covid) for those under 21 to cross the border into B.C. where the drinking age is 19. But, upon passing back into Washington, they often get a Minor In Possession (MIP) citation. I'm sure this varies state-to-state like so many other things.

 

Most of my life I lived in Connecticut where liquor stores closed at 8pm and no alcohol sales on sundays.

now I live in NC where they can’t sell beer higher than a certain ABV.

 

Thanks for the details and the link to the news article. I understand the law and its intent, but it sucks that the wine industry got themselves excluded, and that there is a lack of clarity in the law as well as loopholes.

It's disappointing that the author of the article didn't mention bars are being treated the same as a brewery taproom.

 

Welcome.
I saw another article recently about how the Wineries initially had the same rule but sued their way out of it. Apparently cellarmaker and some other breweries were suing as well, to try to change it.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/wine/article/Craft-breweries-sue-Newsom-claiming-reopening-15815250.php
in all honesty I haven’t been following it that closely. I’m a “surgical strike, take home for consumption” kind of guy.

just like my hospital’s visitor policies, I think these rules change constantly.

 

AKA "Cuomo Chips"

 

I lost the 'if' in my earlier post and it sounded like bars are being treated the same as breweries. I don't know if that's true or not, but if bars aren't subject to that law, well, there's something else that sucks about the law.

 

We really have it pretty good here in SD, no limit on ABV, Sunday sales, growler/crowler fills in liquor stores and taprooms, etc. Hell, I can go to a grocery store and get a tap beer to drink while I shop for groceries. The only annoying thing - like many states - is no mail-order beer allowed, though I may or may not have ordered Trappist Westvleteren 12 from Belgium.

 

I was waiting for someone to chime in about CT. It's much better now though, Liquor stores can now stay open until 10 pm Monday - Saturday (although the smaller ones tend to close at 9pm) and Sunday hours are 10am- 6pm.

I grew up in CT and went to college in CT (late '80's). I'll never forget when we were freshmen and the kids from out of state thought we were crazy that at about 7pm we were getting ready for our packy runs. Let's just say that we made many runs up to Springfield, MA to get booze after 8pm.

 

In "the biz" we call that landscape and portrait.

 

Could you link me some of these forums? Thanks.

 

Ohio's pretty cool with selling beer (although you get used to anything you're immersed in) but for hard liquor there's only state stores. I came from Maryland where liquor store licenses are sold and it used to be a *lot* cheaper than here.

 

But some of the strip clubs are BYOB. Makes no sense. There was a place in Newark that had a go go bar, package goods shop, and all nude BYOB basically in three different rooms.

The bars in Rahway, NJ can open at 10 AM six days a week, but can open at 9AM on Sunday. People from all over the county show up on Sunday at nine. I only found his out because they would be meeting spots before going to 1 PM games at Giants Stadium.

 

Pa will only sell you 192oz at a time if purchasing from a non beer distributor. Examples, 6pk shops, bars, restaurant. But you can literally put the bags in your car, or just set them outside, and go back in and do it again and again.
Makes no logical sense whatsoever!
I've done this on several occasions.

 

We're still for the most part banned from Sunday Retail Sales, not entirely. Our taxes in Arkansas, especially in bars & eating joints are stupidly high, but no good deal anywhere. Otherwise the no home delivery thing sucks

 

I experienced that, had to do math, made me mad/laugh at the same minute. I was warned, but forgot

 

This thread is a good jumping-off point:
https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...-legislation-on-brewery-barrel-limits.654546/

If you search* the Midwest forum you’ll see that the topic comes up every few years, as the Minnesota Brewers Guild and others have made repeated attempts to modernize, and bring the laws up to date with the other states.

*A manual search, scrolling through, might work better/faster than using the site’s search function — here’s one of the oldest threads on the topic that I can find:

https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...le-about-potential-brew-pub-law-changes.4238/