Styles that are 'Sours'

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  1. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    I am very inexperienced with sours, and am eager to explore sour beers. Can someone help me find or put together a list of all the beer styles that are considered sours? Thanks
     
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  2. PorterPro125

    PorterPro125 Pooh-Bah (1,700) Jan 19, 2013 Canada (NB)

    Gose, Lambics, Berliner Weisse, Wild Ales, and Flanders Red are a few examples
     
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  3. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    American Wild Ale
    Lambic (Fruited)
    Lambic (Unblended)
    Gueuze
    Berliner Weisse
    Gose
    Flanders Red Ale
    Flanders Oud Bruin
    Saison (some are sour and some aren't)

    I believe that is all of them that are listed on this site.
     
  4. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Exactly what I'm looking for, thank you. I have more access to Saison than I have in the past - how can I tell what saisons will be sour and which won't?
     
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  5. dwmetsfan13

    dwmetsfan13 Pundit (784) Jul 22, 2013 Massachusetts
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    If the word "brett" or "brettanomyces" is mentioned in the beer name/label that will be a good indicator. In my experience the "sourness" of a saison is different from the sourness of a lambic is different from the sourness of a berliner.
     
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  6. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Ah. I don't think we get any brett saisons around here. I'll keep an eye out though, thanks!
     
  7. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    I would read tasting notes on this site or others. There is no real way. Wild fermentation is a good indicator, but brettanomyces is not a 100% sign since it is the bacteria like acetobacter, pediococcus, and lactobacillus that generally give sour beers their distinctive flavor.
     
  8. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    I would drop saison from that list. Some are wild, not sour, and most simply are neither
     
  9. jsdavis422

    jsdavis422 Zealot (627) May 15, 2012 Minnesota

    you are in minnesota? you have all sorts of options right now... you have Crooked Stave (all sours), dethil wild sour series, surly pentagram, boulevard love child 4, odell has some (blackberry gose is out), la folie from new belgium, white birtch berliner weisse variants, evil twin has a couple (nomader weisse), etc... I am sure there are a ton I am missing, this is just of the top of my head from what I have seen at the store recently.
     
  10. MisSigsFan

    MisSigsFan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2013 California

    Many will tell you saisons aren't sour, but can be tart. It's a slight difference.
     
  11. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    I'm in Minnesota... but look up Alexandria on a map...
     
  12. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    OP is clearly asking for tart and sour beers since by his own admittance he does not have a lot of experience with the style; to a newbie, tart beers will probably appear sour since it's such a palate shock. MANY saisons are tart, including Hill Farmstead's entire saison portfolio, almost every saison SARA makes, many Jester King saisons, Orpheus Atalanta and Lyric, Sofie with ample age on it, Fantôme, and the list goes on. No, none of them are the same intense sourness of, say, a gueuze, but then again Berliner Weisses have a different sourness than gueuze as well. To leave them off the list would be incomplete in my opinion, and for the sake of completeness and the knowledge of OP, I included them with an obvious caveat.
     
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  13. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Yes, and I understand the difference; I just don't think that difference is something someone new to sour/tart beers is going to care about or pick up on, ergo, I wanted to include them.
     
  14. jsdavis422

    jsdavis422 Zealot (627) May 15, 2012 Minnesota

    lol... ok, point taken I am very familiar with Alex. so if you aren't in the cities so your options are a little more limited... next time you are in the cities you'll have to stock up. check out the foreign beers as well, you might be suprised at what you can find.

    edit: BTW, many of these ones I listed are not rare at all, you may be able to find a few of these in your area.
     
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  15. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    To assume someone new to sours (not new to beer, or the world for that matter) will decipher between sour and tart in a way different to you, is just flat out condescending.

    Sour is not a hard characteristic to warm up to. Kids love sour for Christ sake
     
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  16. chcfan

    chcfan Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2008 California

    We're getting into the weeds a bit here, but brett alone does not a sour beer make. Brett will give you "funk" which is usually dry and occasionally a little bit of tartness. For instance, Orval is a brett beer and not sour, but funky.
     
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  17. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Pooh-Bah (2,275) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    I didn't mean it in a condescending way. I just was speaking from my own experience. Early on, I couldn't differentiate between sour and tart easily. I figured OP wanted to know all the styles of beef that have sour characteristics, which mentally I associated with tart as well. I was trying to be inclusive for OP's benefit.
     
  18. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    ok, sorry for chewing on your nipple
     
  19. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Don't apologize for that LOL
     
  20. dwmetsfan13

    dwmetsfan13 Pundit (784) Jul 22, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Agreed. I feel like saisons that I consider "sour" are more funky than truly sour in the lactobacillus sense of the word.
     
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