Such thing as dry hopping overkill?

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  1. Hstern5

    Hstern5 Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2015 Connecticut

    Hi All,
    I just brewed a clone of Trillium's fort point pale ale yesterday. I'm thinking ahead to the dry hops. The recipe calls for 5oz of dry hops! (1oz columbus, 4oz citra) I just so happen to have another 4oz of citra laying around and was considering doing a double dry hop(mabie in the keg). Would this be overkill? How much of the 4oz would you use?
     
  2. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    No such thing. Try it out of the keg and decide how much more after kegging
     
  3. cmurphycode

    cmurphycode Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2010 Massachusetts

  4. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    My rule of thumb based on the pros is to use 0.75 oz/gallon for IPA, no more no less. For a pale ale, I would go even lower, 0.5 oz/gal or even less. Also, with very strong hops like Citra, a little goes a long way, so any more than that is indeed a waste IMHO. With Citra, you can probably get away with half as much as normal and still have it turn out plenty hoppy. To all those who insist there's no such thing as too much hops, you'll never know until you try less and see if you still find the results tasty. Maybe you can save a few bucks. I think you can. If money and volume losses mean nothing to you, then why not use 10 oz, go right ahead.
     
  5. priceisalright

    priceisalright Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2015 Ohio

    The CBC Bodhi clone recipe I've found uses just as many dry hops. There may be a theoretical limit to how many dry hops you should use, but 5 oz has at least been done before so you should be fine.
     
  6. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    I just dry hopped with 9oz in 5-gallon... A bit heavy handed, sure, but I will admit the end result is unlike any other I have done (in the best way). Aroma and flavor are just incredible.
     
  7. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Personal choice. For me, yes I have reached hop over load, but it really is up to the consumer. That hopping rate with those hops would be a bit much for me.
     
  8. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    If you double-dryhop, the amounts don't seem quite as excessive, but having said that, there is definitely a point of diminishing returns, lupulin addiction, and volume restraints on whole cone hops in a corny :slight_smile:
     
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  9. anteater

    anteater Pooh-Bah (1,936) Sep 10, 2012 Oregon
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    The most I've used was 6 oz dry hop in 2.5 gal IPA. The excessive amount of dry hops certainly didn't have any negative impact on the beer, it tasted and smelled good, but I'm not sure if it would have been any worse with 3 oz instead.

    On the other hand, I'm brewed a Pliny clone yesterday and it only calls for 3.75 oz dry hops which seems so low to me. I'm tempted to add more but I'll probably stick to the recipe and adjust next time if I think its worth it.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Several folks have posted about the concept of the law of diminishing return. Feel free to add as many ounces of dry hops to your beer as you want (and your wallet will support).

    Cheers!
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Last fall I homebrewed my version of a Pliny the Elder where I dry hopped with 4 ounces of hop pellets. I think that beer turned out great.

    Cheers!
     
  12. anteater

    anteater Pooh-Bah (1,936) Sep 10, 2012 Oregon
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    I have total faith in the recipe since its from Vinnie himself (although it may be slightly outdated), I think I'm just brainwashed by these fancy NE IPA's with 6 oz flameout/whirlpool and 6 oz dry hop.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I suppose "brainwashed" is one way to describe this situation.:astonished:

    Using 4 ounces of dry hops to homebrew a version of Pliny the Elder will 'work' just fine.

    Cheers!
     
  14. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I think you get diminishing returns. Home brew club just had an IPA contest and one guy put 11ozs of dry hops in for a 5 gallon at batch. The difference between my at 5 ozs and his were very minimal.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    BINGO!!

    Cheers!
     
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  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What did the rest of your recipes and processes look like in comparison? IOW, was it a fair comparison of the dry hop amounts?
     
  17. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    5# of dry hops per 5 gallons is definitely overkill. So yes, there is such a thing as dry hopping overkill unless you have a deviated septum and chronic nasal congestion.
     
  18. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    We used different processes a recipes. My recipe was molded after the NE style and his was "west coast". I have zero crystal and wheat malt, while the other recipe had at least 5% crystal and no wheat. I dry hopped 3 ozs at about 5 days in the primary with some low levels of active fermentation and then again in the keg at 2 ozs. From my understanding is the guy who dry hopped 11ozs did so in a secondary. I don't know if it was done in two installments or 1. Also, my beer was fresher but the other guy didn't mention if he noticed any fall off yet. We didn't discuss a lot on our processes but had casual conversation after the competition. We usually discuss each beer in detail but since the competition took most of the time we didn't go into detail about each beer.

    Not sure if those differencies are enough to enhance the hop enough aromatics to offset an IPA with as much dry hops as my whole beer did.

    I do believe that the process and recipe does make a big difference.
     
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  19. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Is there such thing as dry hopping overkill?
    Short answer: No
    Long answer: Nooooooooo!

    Seriously, though, it's a subjective thing. Tastes vary. I have a brew friend who believes that the only legitimate use for hops in beer is bittering. (Not to stray too far off topic, but I feel the same way about raspberries.) Experiment. You'll eventually find your own personal threshold of overkill. As was already alluded to, above, diminishing returns is a real thing, so let your wallet be your guide.
     
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