Suggestions: add WCIPA as a style and notes when adding a beer

Idea Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by MutuelsMark, Sep 19, 2023.

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  1. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (3,313) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    Couple suggestions:
    Add West Coast IPA as a beer type
    Add ability when adding a beer to add the notes as you are adding the beer.
     
  2. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,254) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    WCIPA is slated to be added as a style.

    Adding notes when adding a beer isn't currently allowed, but I'd be open to revisiting it for certain users. We once allowed it, but disabled it as too many users were adding personal thoughts or full reviews as the notes.
     
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  3. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (3,313) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    That makes sense. I like adding the brewery's notes when adding it, so currently I add the beer and go back to do an update. I would love to be one of the 'certain users' :slight_smile:
     
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  4. Amendm

    Amendm Pooh-Bah (2,437) Jun 7, 2018 Rhode Island
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    I am in favor of more styles; this is definitely one of them and I think many members will be happy about this call.

    "Chill haze or hop haze is acceptable at low levels"

    This might bring back up the "Is this hazy or cloudy" debate. Good to see another "clear" and what I consider to be an original American style added.
     
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  5. woemad

    woemad Grand Pooh-Bah (5,197) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    When I find a local beer has their own notes and/or description, I copy that and post it on untapped when I add beers there. That's something I do wish I could do here, but I understand that can be abused by some clueless users.
     
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  6. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,441) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    So if WCIPA will officially become a new style, what becomes of the American IPA style? Is that just anything that doesn’t fit under West Coast, New England etc.? Any specific examples (well known beers) of what this would be?
     
  7. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,071) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    And what makes an imperial ipa?
     
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  8. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,441) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    According to BA, an imperial IPA IS 7%-12% ABV, with increased use of both malt and hops. What I want to know is will there be an imperial WCIPA, imperial NEIPA, etc., or will that classification just stay the same? Pretty much all the imperial IPAs I’ve had are just stronger varieties of the current “American” IPA style, meaning bitter and hop-forward, which in the future will become the West Coast IPA.
     
  9. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,303) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I've never considered Two Hearted to be a West Coast version of an IPA, and Founders Centennial would be like that too. So I think there'd be many in that American category.
     
  10. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,071) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    So it sounds like a double or triple ipa….which most fall into the hazy style
     
  11. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,441) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Yeah, the first one I thought of was Two Hearted. It has a little more malt backbone than something like Stone IPA. I guess the danger is that a lot of beers could probably fit into either category based on more subjective qualities. So unless you said “any beer over X IBUs is a West Coast IPA” it could end up being a slippery slope.
     
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  12. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,441) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Well maybe they do now but that wasn’t always the case. Pliny the Younger for example. Been around forever and definitely not a hazy or New England style IPA.
     
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  13. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,030) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Well, that stinks. I always added the brewery's notes to beers I've added and like seeing their info.
     
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  14. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,030) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    They do? :thinking_face:
     
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  15. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,441) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I was giving @Bhubbard34 the benefit of the doubt, as I really have no idea what the predominant IIPAs are these days in most of the country (and I’ve more or less started avoiding most New England/hazy IPAs). Here’s a list of the most rated/reviewed IIPAs on this site—so we can judge for ourselves whether most of them are hazy or clear.
     
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  16. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,757) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Even though this is clearly spelled out in the reviews, I still find myself rejecting several Notes updates that are clearly just tasting notes and/or reviews. If there's a good way to vet that people know what they're doing when adding notes, it makes sense (I know most users are just trying to help).

    WCIPA! Here we goooooo! :grinning:
     
  17. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Pooh-Bah (2,071) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    I’m saying if you look at the current “top” list of hazies, it’s a lot of Dipas and triples….which to me, sounds like the description for imperials.
     
  18. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,441) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I’m looking at this list of NEIPAs sorted by number of ratings/reviews (default view) and most of them are in the 6%-8% range … a few outliers at 9% or 10%. (Sort by ABV and the highest one is 16%!) But maybe an imperial NEIPA category is in order if these are being added to that style solely because they are hazy and regardless of ABV. I don’t think they’d fit under what is traditionally thought of as an imperial American IPA (e.g., Ruination, PtE etc.).
     
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  19. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,282) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    WCIPA is the default 'American' IPA, and needs no further qualifiers. The other subsets are the ones that need to be differentiated.
     
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  20. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,030) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    So, they're really just high octane NEIPAs, not necessarily branded DIPAs that look like milkshakes?
     
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