Suggestions needed for adding toasted coconut and coffee

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  1. Jordan3292

    Jordan3292 Crusader (404) May 26, 2015 Illinois
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    Hey everyone, I'm planning on brewing next week with a buddy who wants to get into home brewing. He wants to do a stout with coffee (very ambitious for a first timer) and I suggested that we could add toasted coconut as well. Now here is my delimma. Which route to I take?

    A) Buy a Brewerst Best ingredients kit for the coffee stout (come with coffee grinds) and add the coconut later

    B) Buy the Milk Stout Brewers Best kit and add the coffee myself as well as the coconut.

    I am also looking for some suggestions as to how otthers have added coffee to their beers as well as coconut. We also tossed around the idea of using a couple Vanilla Beans as well. Thanks in advance, cheers!
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No offense meant, but it sounds like your buddy is a newbie who wants to use techniques that you're not sure of yourself. My advice would be for him to brew a stout kit and don't add anything. You can help him learn the basics.

    If I'm wrong, don't worry. You'll get plenty of suggestions on how to go about this in this thread.
     
  3. Jordan3292

    Jordan3292 Crusader (404) May 26, 2015 Illinois
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    No I totally agree. He is very new into the entire beer underworld, he's also very ambitious. I'm comfortable brewing and am at the stage where I think I can start playing around with different things. That's why I asked what he would like to TRY to brew. I told him no guarantees. If it doesn't turn out the way I hopped I wouldn't be mad. That's how you learn. My buddy pretty much wants to watch and see how it's done while I brew.
     
  4. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Option B. Then read the numerous threads about how to use coffee and coconut.
     
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  5. Jordan3292

    Jordan3292 Crusader (404) May 26, 2015 Illinois
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    Here is what I planning how to do this in my head. But I'm probably totally wrong. Add one or two vanilla beans with the coconut to the last 5-10 minutes of the boil. Then add a 2 vanilla beans and some coconut to the primary fermentation. Once I rack into the secondary is when I could add a small amount of coffee for a couple days. Does anyone think this could work?
     
  6. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I have never read about anyone adding vanilla to the boil (or coconut for that matter). I would follow @Brew_Betty's advice and brew a basic stout and read up on adding vanilla and/or coconut and/or coffee. That is a lot going on in a beer, hHow about some sour cherries to go with the coffee, coconut and vanilla milk stout?

    I would focus on getting one of those additions right before I decided to throw the whole kitchen sink at a stout.
     
  7. pittvkyle7

    pittvkyle7 Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2007 Connecticut

    Like other have said, this is a complicated brew. A lot could go wrong on your buddy's first batch ,and it would be hard to pin point what to improve because you have so many additions to this recipe.
    But- it sound like you are going for it anyway! good for you! I would chose option A, but I would add a 4oz bottle of coconut flavoring extract before packaging. This way you won't have to measure out coffee or coconut.
     
  8. Jordan3292

    Jordan3292 Crusader (404) May 26, 2015 Illinois
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    I think I'm going to scratch the coffee and just do vanilla and coconut. I've brewed plenty of times but not with adjuncts. Vanilla sounds fairly easy from what I've read. The coconut is where there's multiple methods from what I've researched
     
  9. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Go look at the other threads suggested. In a nutshell -- grind good dark roast coffee (1/4 lb for 5 gallons I think) and steep it in the brew in a muslin bag at flameout for 10/15 minutes before chilling and pitching yeast. Basically you brew a batch of coffee in your hot wort. For coconut -- toast fresh/shredded coconut in the oven for 10 minutes or so (350) and steep at flameout along w the coffee or put it in the brew when you transfer to the secondary...I've done both and find the 2ndary provides the best aroma/flavor. Cheers and good luck ,..,
     
  10. Jordan3292

    Jordan3292 Crusader (404) May 26, 2015 Illinois
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    Awesome! Thanks for the tips!
     
  11. AngryDutchman

    AngryDutchman Zealot (693) Aug 8, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Agree, would add vanilla, coffee and coconut after removing from the heat source and once it gets down to 170-180 degrees. Let it steep for while before the forced cooling.
     
  12. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Search the threads for coffee additions. I've done it a lot and my method works extremely well for me.
     
  13. bevoduz

    bevoduz Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2007 Illinois

    I'd add everything in secondary, or preferably in a keg if you keg so you can purge the crap out of it. Coconut in a bag, throw the chopped vanilla bean in there too. Coconut will need a couple weeks. After that put whole coffee beans in for about 2 days, then transfer, or if it's a keg remove the coffee beans, leave the coconut and vanilla, carbonate and serve.

    I've got lots of coconut experience, and this is how I always do it now.
     
  14. Jordan3292

    Jordan3292 Crusader (404) May 26, 2015 Illinois
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    Ok so here's the final verdict. Coffee is cut out. I've taken 3 Vanilla Beans yesterday and gutted them, and cut the outsides into 1 inch pieces, covered them in a little bourbon in a jar. I bought 2 coconuts, cracked and shredded them, toasted in the oven til they turned a slight golden color. I talked to the people at my local homebrew store and they suggested put a little of the coconut and vanilla "extract" in at flame out while the wort chills, add half of what coconut and vanilla I have left in the primary and the other half in the secondary.
    My only other question is should I boil off some of the bourbon? I don't want an overwhelming bourbon not but rather a hint of it.

    Thanks all for your help and suggestions!
     
  15. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    No need to boil off bourbon, unless you don't want it in the taste. Might br enough just to carefully pour\strain out the bourbon to get your "taste" result. Please post back when your drinking this brew. Personally I add these adjuncts in the secondary and am interested in the results.
     
  16. Jordan3292

    Jordan3292 Crusader (404) May 26, 2015 Illinois
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    Ill definitely report back the results
     
  17. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    What did the people at the homebrew shop say the purpose was for adding some of the vanilla extract at three different times? The earlier you add it the less flavor you will get when the beer is finally ready to drink. I would just add it all to the secondary. I usually add it a few days before I plan to bottle just in case there are any fermentables in the extract. Not sure if it is necessary or not but it works for me.

    I usually add around 4oz of bourbon vanilla extract and I cannot really taste any bourbon in the finished product. However my stout is around 9% has a lot of roasted barley and around 70 ibus so that probably helps cover it up.
     
  18. Jordan3292

    Jordan3292 Crusader (404) May 26, 2015 Illinois
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    The purpose is to more or less just to see what happens. I've read of people adding the coconut and vanilla at different stages with positive results. So I figured why not try it all and see what happens? I love vanilla so I'm not afraid of a strong vanilla note. This is actually going to be a Porter around 5.5 ABV.
     
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  19. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    Nothing wrong with experimenting. Hope it turns out well. I was just wondering if they had a reason for suggesting that. Information thrown around at homebrew shops is not always the best and should always be fact checked. My guess is the vanilla you add at flame out will not be noticeable in the finished product and you will end up with less vanilla flavor overall.
     
  20. Jordan3292

    Jordan3292 Crusader (404) May 26, 2015 Illinois
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    I can always add more for a few days if the flavor isn't where I want it too
     
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