Swapping BA DLs

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by dvelcich, May 30, 2012.

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  1. dvelcich

    dvelcich Zealot (646) Feb 6, 2008 Illinois
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    Has anyone seen one variant get swapped for another without needing to add some sort of kicker to the deal? I haven't, and I was wondering why the community doesn't think a one for one deal is fair. Or am I wrong? Here's the most recent example:

    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/iso-vanilla-brandy-dl-ft-cognac-muerte.21267/#post-255725

    This one isn't the best because the OP is clearly motivated by a tasting deadline, but I've seen a similar scenario many times where a little extra (or a lot extra) has to be thrown to get the job done. Thoughts?
     
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  2. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    They all seem to differ in demand. i.e. Last year's Brandy Vanilla and Pappy and this year's Bourbon Vanilla seem to be the most desirable. After those three I think they're all relatively equally viewed/respected.
     
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  3. aasher

    aasher Grand Pooh-Bah (4,557) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    It seems like Vanilla is holding the most weight so far and Bourbon is holding the least. I think it's due to Vanilla running out early and there being north of 1,000 Bourbons, despite the bottle numbers. I had someone offer me Bourbon AND a Cognac De Muerte for my Vanilla. I declined.
     
  4. dvelcich

    dvelcich Zealot (646) Feb 6, 2008 Illinois
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    I was mostly focusing on the newer ones. I know Bourbon Vanilla seems to be the most desirable, but I figure most people want to try them all together, which would be the most logical reason to swap. So why not one for one?

    If my group had a Bourbon Vanilla, but needed a Cognac Muerte, I wouldn't ask for anything more because mine is more desirable. In fact I'd probably have to give a little something extra because I was the one looking for it. Is this just a case of maximizing value? That's turning into an umbrella statement around here.
     
  5. jmarsh123

    jmarsh123 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2010 Indiana
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    I think it'll depend on which tasting groups want what. Vanilla is definitely the highest trading, but beyond that it's probably personal preference which one people want to try. If there's a group with 2 Vanillas and none of the others, I would think they'd trade it 1:1 if they really wanted to try another variant.
     
  6. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    I don't think that's necessarily the case. It seems that many of the people who wound up with BA Dark Lords this year are new/fairly new to beer/BA, and probably don't have an established tasting group with multiple variants. Or they're too new/naive to realize that that is even a possibility. Hell, until Clint invited me to the tasting last year, I would never have thought I'd be able to try all four variants at the same time. But now I can say I have :grinning:
     
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  7. dvelcich

    dvelcich Zealot (646) Feb 6, 2008 Illinois
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    I hear you, but as I said, wouldn't that be the most logical reason for someone to try to swap their BA DL? If they're not planning on sharing with another friend who happened to get the same variant, why not just drink and enjoy the one they picked while they were there?
     
  8. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Not necessarily. With all the Dark Lord shitting that goes on here, some people who landed bottles and probably haven't had any of the BA Dark Lords before decided this would be their first big beer they wanted to trade, and instead of trading for another "shitty" BA Dark Lord, why not go after some RAREZ?

    Such is the state of trading BA Dark Lords, from what I've observed.
     
  9. SpeedwayJim

    SpeedwayJim Pooh-Bah (2,877) Jun 19, 2009 New York
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    You're suprised by this?

    You answered your question later on by saying that it might just be a case of maximizing value. The new mantra of the trading forums is "why get only one rare thing when someone else might give me two if I just hold out?"

    I'm surprised anybody is swapping beers these days actually.
     
  10. dvelcich

    dvelcich Zealot (646) Feb 6, 2008 Illinois
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    Again, I hear you, but this whole thread is dedicated to SWAPPING BA DLs for other BA DLs. Keep up Mark. :wink:
    Like I'm stressing with Mark though, isn't trading one 2012 BA DL for a different 2012 BA DL a fair trade? I can understand if someone were trading a BA DL for two beers that weren't as rare or desired, but one BA DL for one BA DL should be as fair as it gets.
     
  11. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    I'm confused now. I think a one for one is completely fair (and I doubt many would argue).

    The issue with trying to make these trades happen is that most people who are trading their BA Dark Lords fall into two categories: they are either part of a tasting group who is trying to put together the full deal, OR want to fish for amazing offers that don't involve BA Dark Lords. My observation is that there are a lot more of the latter than the former. Thus, it seems that those looking to "swap" BA Dark Lords have learned to up their offers in order to make it more enticing to the traders who are just looking for a good deal. Have I answered the question yet? :wink:
     
  12. SpeedwayJim

    SpeedwayJim Pooh-Bah (2,877) Jun 19, 2009 New York
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    Yes, I agree that its completely a fair trade. But I think the concept that just because a trade is "fair", that it should get completed with some regularity went out the window about a year ago. Most new traders want unfair in their favor nowadays.
     
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  13. huskermike12

    huskermike12 Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2011 Vermont

    Wish I would have gotten that offer. I could not have turned that down.
     
  14. dman5400

    dman5400 Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2011 Illinois

    That being said then don't trade with them. If no one trades with the guy asking for half your cellar for one BA dl then eventually they will stop asking or have to trade fair. Its simple supply and demand. If the seller is asking to much then no one will trade.
     
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  15. deleted_user_570457

    deleted_user_570457 Zealot (728) Feb 21, 2011

    I swapped a Vanilla Brandy for Pappy 1:1…
     
  16. clintonpuckett

    clintonpuckett Devotee (394) Apr 29, 2008 Indiana
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    Who was this "someone"?
     
  17. SpeedwayJim

    SpeedwayJim Pooh-Bah (2,877) Jun 19, 2009 New York
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    I just realized, looking at the thread that the OP is looking for the Brandy Vanilla DL from 2011. Not this year's Bourbon Vanilla DL. I think that's why he's not able to get a 1:1. The Brandy Vanilla DL is far rarer and was released over a year ago now.
     
  18. Duffman929

    Duffman929 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2010 Illinois
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    I threw out a bourbon ba DL with vanilla as a starting point to get a brandy ba DL with vanilla and had crickets. I know it will take more than1:1 due to the bottle count and availability a year after release. If I would have had ammo last DLD to get a brandy, I would have, since my scratchoff didn't win.
     
  19. aasher

    aasher Grand Pooh-Bah (4,557) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    I'm not at liberty to say
     
  20. jeonseh

    jeonseh Maven (1,307) Oct 14, 2007 Indiana

    I think the reason this doesn't happen is that people who have vanilla and de Meurte wanted them more than the others as at the end there was only bourbon and cognac left. So anyone who has one of those could have had the other so to get them to give one up requires them to want something extra for it.

    I tried to trade a bourbon for a cognac about 3 times and crickets.
     
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