Taloring a recipe for your system with software

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  1. JUNCK

    JUNCK Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2011 Washington

    So I have figured out my efficiency and evaporation at 212F. I plug in a recipe and the SRM is off. Every time I change the grain bill of course the SRM, OG and ABV changes. How do I get the SRM to come close without effecting the rest of the recipe?
     
  2. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    Don't worry about SRM. Don't worry about ABV. Pay some attention to OG.

    If you've figured out your efficiency then you must be always doing the same OG. For me at least OG is somewhat a sliding scale. For low OG I get a higher efficiency. For big beers I get lower. It's because with more grain I get more first runnings which are at max sugar levels. Since I always do the same start of boil volume that first runnings make a higher percentage. Basically I don't have the need or space to sparge out all of the sugars for a large grain bill. So I have a handy spreadsheet with all of the four variables. I put in three and it tells me if I need to make adjustments.

    Are you entering a competition? SRM values are based on per-determined models. Just like the water spreadsheets and IBU calcs that we use, they aren't that accurate. Just a tool to start with. Once you know your system you can dial these in.

    ABV - I'm told that if your adjusting your system to a known recipe that as you adjust your efficiency you just adjust your base malts. That's what I do. But ABV is also dependent on where in a fairly big window that we get form the yeast specs and how your fermentation falls into those numbers. Again, if you care and if you take good notes you adjust this to your system.
     
  3. JUNCK

    JUNCK Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2011 Washington

    I am not entering a competition (yet) just understanding more and more about brewing, digesting more and more information and getting more and more confused. Thanks for your response.. now on to water chem. Ugh!
     
  4. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    Yeah, it seemed like you were worrying about being off a few percentages or two.

    I'll admit that I'm not the best in recipe formulation, but there is a bigger picture to what the software programs tell you.

    First I look to my base malt and what role it plays into the style. Do I want to add some darker base malts in? Then I think about specialty malts. Roasted malts? I kinda look at percentages and I think about how I waNT THE BEER FLAVORS AND MOUTHFEEL TO PROGRESS. opps Basically I to balance my malt flavors with the dextrins or lack or dextrins that are made during the mash, with the hops and yeast. Anyway these really aren't the type of things that you get from the software. (yeah that didn't make much sense)

    My take is if you balance those things out you'll get good numbers w/the software and a good beer.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you have everything the way you want it, but want to tweak the color, you can replace a portion of your pale (2-row, pale ale, pilsner, etc,.) base malt with more of one of your darker malts, or vice versa. Or add a very small amount of a very dark grain like roasted barley, or Carafa Special, and reduce one of the other malts proprtionally. Obviously this will change the flavor somewhat, so it can be a tradeoff. Most styles have a wide enough acceptable color range that you don't have to worry about this if your recipe is solid in terms of OG and traditional grain bill.
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Although I sometimes want to make a beer that is a certain color, I find that getting it exactly the way I imagine is tricky, except for very dark or very pale ales. Trying to write a recipe from scratch to give a particular shade in the deep gold to pale brown part of the spectrum (orange, amber, red) is particularly vexsome without brewing and rebrewing. I am resigned to not worrying too much about color. Plus, there is always the danger that if I get the color spot-on, I'll just stare at the beer and never drink it, completely dazed by its visual appeal.
     
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