Tart Saison

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  1. DaBears0987

    DaBears0987 Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2016 California

    Dear all,

    I am interested in brewing a tart saison -- not so much a sour saison, but tart -- but I cannot find any extract kits that match what I'm hoping to do. Since I don't have all grain equipment, I am, for now, bound to the extract method. Can anyone recommend to me a way of patching together an extract kit piece-by-piece, including the right malt extract(s), that would produce a nice tart saison? The only thing I am sure of is that I don't want to brew a spicy WY3724 style saison. I want the earthiness of the saison yeast profile with the tartness that I'm looking for. Any recommendations?

    Thank you in advance.
     
  2. djs467

    djs467 Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2011 Colorado

    I make a ton of saisons and to get a nice dry and tart saison is pretty easy. Some background first...
    Some saisons are tart from the high attenuation of the Belgian yeast, which can yield a dry/ slightly tart saison.
    Some saisons use other use souring techniques (i.e sour mashing, inoculating w/ bacteria and extensive aging).

    Saisons are simple beers, so all you need really is 6lbs Pilsner or light DME, .75 belgian candii sugar, some hops for bittering and aroma and a nice Belgian yeast (lots to choose from here).

    If you are patient, then I would suggest adding Brett to the secondary and let it dry out the beer for another few months.
     
  3. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Kettle souring is a good option for extract. @jbakajust1 and @drewbage probably have the info you need as both seem to be into saisons. Like really into saisons.
     
  4. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I would go for Pilsner DME, maybe some table sugar to ensure dryness (don't know the parameters of the DME to know its attenuation levels). Noble hopping in the .75oz @ 25 mins and 1.25oz @ FO. Choose a Saison yeast you like (I prefer 3724).

    For tartness you can do a preboil souring with Good Belly at room temp, just watch the pH. Don't go by taste since the Lacto won't eat the sugars so it will taste sweet with a mild tartness, but if you go to desired tartness on taste before boiling and fermenting you will have a much more sour end product. Once the pH is in the high 3 range boil with the hops, cool, and ferment with the Saison yeast.
     
  5. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    The best Tart Saison I made was actually a blend of a Brett Saison and a Berliner Weisse. I have tried to brew a nicely sharp tart season in the past, but was never satisfied with the end results...but blending 2 different beers worked perfectly for what I wanted out of the final beer!
     
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  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    @jbakajust1 what good belly flavors do you recommend if you don't want any fruit flavor in the final product?
     
  7. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I like the Mango. The flavor is light once it is fermented out. One carton for 5 gallons works well. It might leave a little tropicalness, but it is nice. I usually pre-sour the wort to 4.1 pH with Citric Acid as well, I like the lemony citrus bite.
     
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  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I will have to invest in a pH meter now. I like tart saisons with hops like Nelson and Galaxy, so the mango will have a lot to compete with. Add in some wine soaked wood and it's really gonna be muted.
     
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  9. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I use one of the $12 yellow ones from Amazon.
     
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  10. DaBears0987

    DaBears0987 Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2016 California

    Wow. Thanks, guys, for all of this super helpful information. I really appreciate it. I'll probably boil and pitch in the coming three or four weeks. I'll be sure to post what I decided on this thread. And I'll also post a few tasting notes once the bottles are being opened up.

    Thanks again. :slight_smile:
     
  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    If you get the FG down below 1.005 I would recommend bottling 3.5 gallons straight, then, add the dregs from a bottle of Orval to the bottling bucket, stir gently, then finish bottling. Mark those bottles to hold onto a little longer and see how they evolve. You won't be disappointed.
     
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