Temp controller accuracy

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  1. meatballj626j

    meatballj626j Initiate (0) May 7, 2009 Georgia

    I recently purchased a ranco single stage digital temp controller to use in my ferm chamber (mini-fridge enclosed in an insulated box) I went to test it out last night empty and set the controller for 60 degs. I went back and checked the box and the display on the temp controller indicated 60F. I double checked this with a meat thermometer I had (digital read out) and it read 64F. (outside temp was roughly 68, initial temp on inside was about 67). So which one would you believe first? The ranco or the meat thermometer?
     
  2. mylar

    mylar Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I would say you're meat thermometer is likely to be less accurate than the temp controller. Try putting the probes in a glass of water, this will help them give you a reading quicker
     
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  3. Riggsy

    Riggsy Zealot (708) Jul 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Stick them both in a glass of ice water and see if they read 32F
     
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  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Test your meat thermometer in ice water. I don't think the Ranco probe is submersible, but the ice water should give you a sense for whether the meat thermometer is off from 32 F. You can also test it with boiling water to get a two point calibration curve which you can used to evaluate your meat thermometer across the range of temps most significant to homebrewer.
     
  5. meatballj626j

    meatballj626j Initiate (0) May 7, 2009 Georgia

    Thanks for the replies, half way through typing I thought about the meat thermometer not being as accurate. As far as how to get a good reading when I have actual fermenting going on any suggestions? Ive heard of wrapping the probe in bubble wrap and attaching it to the carboy, but that about the only thing Ive heard.
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I tape my probe between my fermenter and a big hunk of foam insulation, with the hope that it equilibrates to and the controller responds to the fermenter temperature.
     
  7. DNuggs

    DNuggs Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts

    You can buy stopper thermowells from a couple of online stores but its pretty easy to make one. If you're using a 6.5 gallon arbor, grab a #7.5 rubber stopper and drill 2 1/4 inch holes in it. I picked up SS tubing from here http://www.brewershardware.com/16-Stainless-Steel-Thermowell.html . SS tubing goes in one hole of the stopper, airlock in the other. And the temp probe of the controller just goes down inside the tubing into the center of the wort, giving you a pretty good read on fermentation temp.
     
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  8. mylar

    mylar Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I have thermo wells that I sometimes use. I just took old dip tubes from Corny Kegs and had the one end crimped and welded. Most of the time though I just wad up a few sheets of paper towel and use duct tap to create a sort of "bandage" that encases the probe to the side of the fermenter....
     
  9. Rbald42

    Rbald42 Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2008 Minnesota

    I used a computer fan to circulate the air in my keezer. Its big enough that I was getting a few degrees difference from the bottom to the top without it.YMMV
     
  10. meatballj626j

    meatballj626j Initiate (0) May 7, 2009 Georgia

    Definately going to have to hook a comp fan up, but for right now its not really needed, and I am trying to build it up in steps. Thanks for all the replies.
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yep. A computer fan in my keezer works wonders in keeping the temps close throughout the keezer.
     
  12. ColoradoBobs

    ColoradoBobs Savant (1,249) Feb 21, 2004 Colorado

    The freezing water and boiling water two-point temperature test for your meat thermometer will be accurate if you are living within 1,000 feet of sea level, since water freezes and boils at different temperatures at higher altitudes. For example, water boils in Denver, Colorado at a bit over 202 degrees Fahrenheit, a full 10 degrees lower than at sea level. The affect on the freezing point is much less dramatic with changes in altitude.
     
  13. meatballj626j

    meatballj626j Initiate (0) May 7, 2009 Georgia

    What differential do yall use when you are using the ranco for fermentation? I have mine currently set at 62, with a diff of 3 degrees. I am using us-05, and it is fermenting pretty well, its just my first time using one of these things. Thanks for the advice.
     
  14. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    I use a dif of 1, with the probe attached to the fermenter's outside with insulation surrounding it. It takes a lot to make 5 gallons go up or down 1 degree so I figure this isn't taxing the compressor too badly.
     
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  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I use one degree pretty much all the time.
     
  16. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Do this. I also typically have about a quart of Star San in the fridge when fermenting. I use a blow off tube and the tube runs into a 1/2 full growler. I take temps from the growler and assume it's pretty close.

    Am I reading that right that you are taking temps from an empty fridge and you expect the ambient air temp to be accurate or consistent? It's not. I'd be testing with a few gallons of thermal mass to see if you can get that gap down to 1 or 2 F.
     
  17. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    It really depends on the difference of your fermentation temp and the outside air temp. Where I live it's really HOT, so I use an 8 - 10 differential, with the probe laying exposed on the compressor hump.

    Everyone thinks the wort will vary 10 degrees but my outside air temps are so HOT the compressor cycles regularly and the wort temp barely moves. The key is to have the proper compressor cycle . . . you don't want it to run for hours then be off for hours, that is what allows the liquid to vary and everyone knows what happens if the compressor short-cycles. If I want to hold at something like 65 with a 10 differential the air inside the fridge will vary from 60 - 70, but this range is only over a period of 60 - 90 minutes (average compressor cycle time). That means the maximum differential from desired temp is 5 degrees but only for 30-45 minutes which has little effect on liquid. This is exactly how your kitchen fridge works and you don't notice the beer or milk changing temperature.

    I measure my wort temp with an electronic probe in a thermowell and never see a change in temp of more than 0.1 to 0.2, practically nothing. That's because the wort is only exposed to these minor +or-5° changes for a short period of time. If I were to set my differential at 1, my outside air temps are so HOT if would force the compressor to cycle several times an hour and most likely would die.

    In your case with an air temp of 68 and a desired fridge temp of 62 you could probably get away with a 2-3° differential (not really sure, I rarely see temps in the 60s). Just make sure the compressor is cycling in the range of 1 - 2 hours, this is key.

    As mentioned, the Ranco probe is not made to be submersed.
     
  18. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    The top of the compressor hump seems to be a nice median for temp in my temp controlled chest freezer...which is where I keep my temp probe and thermometer
     
  19. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I can barely get a #7 stopper to fit in my 6.5 gallon carboys and certainly can't get a #7.5 in them. I actually use a #6.5 in them.....
     
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