Temperature control without proper temperature control

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  1. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Brewed an Orval clone with WLP510 on Sunday. Pitched yeast into 63-34 F wort, expecting it to rise to 70- 72 F over the course of a couple of days. Ambient room temp is usually 68F but will occasionally rise a couple of degrees.

    Checked fermentation temp last night before bed: perfect at 68 F. Checked this morning before work: 76-77 F. :slight_frown: Ended up placing the carboy into a plastic container filled with 2" of cold water and some ice, which should bring the temp back into the 68 F range (for a while, at least...)

    I don't have the the space for a fermentation chamber with proper temperature control. What are my options? Anyone have any tricks they use to keep temperatures down to around mid to high 60s in a room that is ambient 68 - 70 F? This is the last piece of the puzzle for me to get good control over my entire brewing process. I've been brewing mostly saisons because it is a struggle to keep my fermentation temps in the mid 60's. Any advise / tricks / tips would be fantastic.
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Below is something I posted a long time ago which might be helpful to you:

    “My homebrewing area (utility room in my half basement) is a bit too warm now (ambient about 72-73°F). My preference is to ferment my Wit beers around 70°F (although 72°F would be OK). So, since fermentation is an exothermic reaction (it produces heat) I need to ‘manage’ the fermentation temperature. Right now I am able to do that by simply placing my bucket on the basement floor; the basement floor operates like a heat sink drawing the ‘excess’ heat away. I will just use the ‘floor method’ unless the fermentation temperature exceeds 72°F. If that occurs I will place my fermenter in a shallow Rubbermaid pan (about 5 inches tall) and put water in the pan. The presence of water increases the heat sink effect by cooling a couple more degrees. If I should need even more cooling I will place a towel (or a T-shirt) around the bucket for evaporative cooling. If even more cooling is needed I add a fan to the mix. If even more cooling is required I add some ice to the water; refreezable blue ice blocks.”

    I have since built a Son of Fermentation Chiller (SOFC) which I use as a lagering chamber. I could easily use my SOFC to maintain fermentation temperatures but the above layered method works so well for me that I don’t use the SOFC for fermentation temperature control.

    Cheers!
     
  3. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Thanks for the response, Jack. With a strain like WLP510, with which I want to stay in the 68 to 70 F range, do you think the following scenario would work?

    - cool wort to 64 F and pitch, immediately place carboy in pan with couple inches of cold water, place a couple bottles filled with ice in pan, replace bottles every 8 hours or so.

    I'm afraid something like this will cause temps to fluctuate, which is not ideal either... but maybe it is better for the temperature to fluctuate within the recommended fermentation temp range than to get hotter than recommended temps?
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “ …cool wort to 64 F and pitch, immediately place carboy in pan with couple inches of cold water, place a couple bottles filled with ice in pan, replace bottles every 8 hours or so.” Basically that should work. You will just need to ‘play’ with the amount of ice used and periodicity with change outs which will vary as the rate of fermentation (heat produced) changes over time. By day 5 or so the amount of heat produced will be minimal.
    The water acts like a ‘cool’ thermal mass which will mitigate temperature fluctuations.

    You might want to try the wet towel (with a fan if needed) method since it is a bit more hands off than the ice swap out but do what you feel comfortable doing.

    Best of luck your Orval clone. I am presuming that you will be adding Brett Brux in about a week (or so)?

    Cheers!
     
  5. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Thanks again. I've tried the wet towel trick before, and it hasn't been sufficient.
    Yes, Orval dregs are going in on Friday.
     
  6. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Why limit it to a couple o f inches of water? I have tubs that are about 18 inches high and I fill them up!

    Do you need anyone to help you empty some Orvals Friday?
     
  7. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    get a thick garbage bag and put the fermentor in it. Put ice in and tape the top of bag to the top of fermentor
     
  8. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    so long as the water level in the tub does not come too close to the level of wort in the fermenting bucket.

    once the liquids levels get close, the fermentation bucket will become buoyant. pass the wort level and it floats, which is asking for trouble.
    Cheers.
     
  9. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Got that part 100% under control, but thanks for the offer.
     
  10. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Hopefully there will be another space-efficient method soon, the BrewJacket. (Not available yet.) Unfortunately I think they will be somewhat expensive, but probably not much more than a chest freezer + thermostat. I am looking forward to achieving precise control over fermentation temperature.
     
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