Temperature controllers

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  1. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    I searched the forums and didn't see any specific discussion on actual hardware. Im looking for a controller and I'm between two. The Johnson Controls A419 and the Thermostar. It's down to these two because they're what Northern Brewer has and I have a gift certificate there. From my research, the Johnson looks like it's been around a while and has generally positive reviews. The Thermostar is a newer offering that NB seems to be pushing hard. Anybody have any experience with it? Pros/cons discussion and advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
     
  2. ricchezza

    ricchezza Zealot (670) Nov 2, 2005 Massachusetts

    I have three of the Johnson analog/dial controllers (kegerator/ale ferm. chamber/lager ferm. chamber) which are relatively inexpensive and +/- 4 degrees F. I personally have had no negative issues with them.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The probe on the A419 can fit inside a typical thermowell. Most can't. I have three A419s and they all do exactly what they are supposed to even after many years.
     
  4. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    the thermo star has a lot going for it but it does not have a very long history. I have not used one or even seen one.

    the A419 on the other hand has been around for many years and I do not ever recall anyone ever posting about a mechanical problem. they work very well and can do what a homebrewer needs it to do.

    id go with the A419 if I had the choice and needed another. it ain't broke and don't need fixin.
    Cheers.
     
  5. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    A Johnson analog controller is all you need. Cheaper than the A419. And more reliable. (not that the A419 is plagued by reliability issues)

    I've long been opposed to digital temperature controllers for the simple reason that an analog controller is one of the most insanely low-tech devices ever devised by man. Why anybody would screw that up by adding electronics is beyond me.

    My recommendation is to get a Johnson analog controller and save yourself a few bucks.
     
  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'm happy with my Ranco analog therm. I've had my beer within a degree of what it's set at every time I take a reading.
     
  7. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    Thanks for the replies guys. I figured the votes would come in like that.

    @VikeMan I googled what a thermowell was but am still a little unclear. Can you expand for this novice?

    @billandsuz Can you elaborate on what the Thermostar has going for it?
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    A thermowell is basically a metal sleeve (built into a fermenter or its lid/cover/cap) that sits in the wort/beer. The probe of a controller/thermometer sits inside of the thermowell. So the probe can (almost) directly measure the temperature of the liquid, while staying dry.
     
  9. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    i think the price is competitive, the display is big and shiny. both blue and red display for cooling or heating mode. the option of having the immersible probe is nice but comes with a significant cost, and i personally dont think it is too difficult to get to the right temp with an ambient air probe. the biggest advantage, as far as i can tell as i haven't used it, is the ease of programming and the ability to switch from heating to cooling mode quickly.

    the A419 is not at all complicated, but it was not designed specifically for homebrewers. some people find it difficult to comprehend the operating instructions. the acronyms and set up is a bit confusing (ASD? dif?) a heating and cooling technician won't have any problem, and most brewers are somewhat technically inclined but i would expect the typical Joe Homeowner would be lost. all that said, anyone can figure it out. its not that complex. and if you aren't planning to use the heating mode (most people don't) it wont matter anyway.
    Cheers.
     
  10. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    The typical Joe Homeowner likely doesn't brew his own beer, so this is probably a moot point. :wink:
     
  11. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    Thanks again. Went with the A419. Will hopefully put it to use next weekend.
     
  12. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

  13. kelvarnsen

    kelvarnsen Pundit (944) Nov 30, 2011 Canada (ON)

  14. MarioM

    MarioM Initiate (0) Sep 13, 2009 California

    Yeah, I've made three.
     
  15. cfrobrew

    cfrobrew Initiate (0) Oct 9, 2012 Texas

    Thanks for the link, I fiddled with mine for a bit and finally figured it out but its nice to have a clean link for a DIY box. The documentation that came with mine was terribly unclear about what the heating and cooling hot in and out terminals were actually doing. turns out they just close the circuit and don't route power...

    I have the analog and digital johnson controllers too but wanted something a little cheaper that could do both heating and cooling. The latter being the best feature.
     
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  16. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    I've built one of these as well. This link spells it out in a bit more detail for a wiring noob like myself. I also liked not needing to mess with wiring outlets.

    http://www.homebrewtalk.com/Inexpen...Vessel-Fermentation-Chamber-DIY-homebrew.html

    Here's mine, still hasn't decided to mount itself yet though.

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  17. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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  18. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    I've started to put the pieces for one of these together. I bought a thermowell for my Pliny kit but won't be using it right away, instead using the crystal thermo strips like last time. If they're accurate at all then I'm staying at or below 70F. Anyway, bought a STC-1000 on eBay yesterday and the project box from Radio Shack yesterday too. Probably swing by the Depot and get an electrical box. Might have to get an extension cord suitable for whatever amperage my chest freezer draws. Great video and I'll follow it to the letter when I have all of the pieces assembled, hopefully this weekend.
     
  19. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    That's the video I used to build both of mine.
     
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