Testing beer for "lightstruck" 3-methylbut-2-ene-1-thiol

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  1. alanjdwood

    alanjdwood Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Canada (ON)

    Hi, does anyone know how I can test a particular brew for the amount of the 3-methylbut-2-ene-1-thiol present in the beer? It is my understanding this is the key chemical that causes a beer to go skunky or "lightstruck".

    Many cheers!
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Taste it :slight_smile:
     
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  3. Marshall_ofmcap

    Marshall_ofmcap Initiate (0) Jul 17, 2013 Colorado

    ditto
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As others have stated, the best way to test for the presence of 3-methyl-2-butene-1-thiol in beer is to taste it. If you perceive a skunky aroma/flavors then 3-methyl-2-butene-1-thiol is present.

    Below are some details on how 3-methyl-2-butene-1-thiol is formed:

    “So where does it come from? Unfortunately, the source is the main ingredient that gives beer great taste- hops. In brewing, the blossoms of the hops flower are added to balance the sweet taste produced by the malt. Among a number of compounds present in hops is iso-humulone. Upon exposure to light, iso-humulone is hydrolyzed producing an active electrophile. Nucleophilic thiols present in the brew then react with the electrophilic fragment to give the odorous 3-methyl-2-butene-1-thiol.”

    Cheers!
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think you were simply quoting some other source, but isohumulone isn't present in hops. (Or if it is, it's at some trace level that I've never seen mentioned.) It's the product of the isomerization of humulone, which normally happens in the boil/whirpool/hopstand. I think heat and water (or wort) are both required.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The below paragraph in quotes is indeed quoted from an on-line source:

    “So where does it come from? Unfortunately, the source is the main ingredient that gives beer great taste- hops. In brewing, the blossoms of the hops flower are added to balance the sweet taste produced by the malt. Among a number of compounds present in hops is iso-humulone. Upon exposure to light, iso-humulone is hydrolyzed producing an active electrophile. Nucleophilic thiols present in the brew then react with the electrophilic fragment to give the odorous 3-methyl-2-butene-1-thiol.”

    The compound of iso-humulone is present in beer via boiling hops during the beer making process. Iso-humulone is the isomerized form of humulone (humulone is present in hops; it is an alpha acid).

    Cheers!
     
  7. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Spend $30,000-40,000 and get yourself a gas chromatograph with a single quadrupole mass spectrometer and purified 3-methylbut-2-ene-1-thiol (to build a standard curve from) if you want to be able to semi-quantitatively (through the use of internal standards) assess 3-methylbut-2-ene-1-thiol levels.

    An alternative would be to buy food grade 3-methylbut-2-ene-1-thiol and dose it into beers slowly increasing the ppm level until you hit a detectable threshold. Then calibrate your self with known amounts via tasting to be able to be your own detector.

    Alternatively you could buy a corona and dilute it with bud light to develop different ppm levels of 3-methylbut-2-ene-1-thiol and calibrate your pallette.
     
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  8. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    In other words...there is no inexpensive instrumentation currently available, other than your taste-buds.
     
  9. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    isn't corona now brewed with tetra hops to prevent skunking?
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think Miller uses them. AFAIK Corona either considers the skunked flavor to be a feature rather than a fault, or just doesn't care.

    Edit: I think I might be wrong about Corona.
     
  11. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Hmm.... not sure. A friend left some in the fridge and when my mom was visiting last week she drank one and complained about how awful and skunky it was.
     
  12. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    if you are really serious about knowing the concentration of a particular chemical in a liquid, you can contact a testing lab. a food testing lab will probably be able to quote you a price fairly easily. other labs with a GC can probably do it if they are interested but you are going to pay. and they might just subcontract anyway.

    you can find this data in parts per billion if you have enough money. you can test for anything if you have the money and the time.

    or, as noted, taste it!
    Cheers.
     
  13. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I really don't want my coronas to be NON-skunky. Once you get used to a taste, you expect it. That's why you add the lime.

    (this post may contain bullshit and / or non-truths)
     
  14. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I hate Corona beer
     
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