The 750 Saison

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  1. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    If youve had it, how similar is Lolita to Lindemans Framboise?
     
  2. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I've had a few Lindemans beers but not the Framboise. I wouldn't count on them being too similar though. Lindemans is 2.5% and Lolita is 9%. Lolita is sour and dry... I bet the Lindemans is much sweeter.
     
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    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Ah. I suppose its worth the extra $5 im comparison then. Was figuring if i can get the feel of it through another belgian raspberry id be cheap lol
     
  4. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Smuttynose Biere de 'Shire

    It's a 650ml bottle - please forgive me. Smuttynose labels can be all over the place. This beer label is another terrible one - a real rush job. This might be a beer that started at Smuttlabs, and migrated over to regular ol' Smuttynose.

    I know little about brett, but I am getting the impression that it can result in many different outcomes depending on the strain. In this case, I am guessing that it's responsible for turning this saison into a tropical fruit punch showcase. It has a strong leaning towards pineapple, peach, mango, and grape. It feels like this is the beer's sole reason for existence. I've been getting so many hot beers lately and this is no exception. Smuttynose has the unusual practice of printing ABVs with ink on the bottle alongside the dating. As a result of this, the ABV listing on my bottle has been smeared off. The Smuttlabs version was 9.1%. This version tastes too hot.
     
  5. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I believe there was brettnamyces in the fat tire and friends wild version and it left a fruit punch like taste to it
     
  6. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Wonderful!
     
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  7. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Im just putting this here....and i know phils name has been brought up many times already....so peoples can see, beer **** yes, but this beer is what did it all for me. I disliked all things belgian beer and i bought this thinking hey its December and biere de noel, ill get a style tick, which i didnt lol. But it cemented me into looking further into the styles and anybody who can get a hold of this should do so and it has nothing to do with me fanboying over two roads haha.
     
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  8. FonyBones

    FonyBones Devotee (380) Dec 19, 2015 New York

    @zid

    Thank you for the informative & entertaining thread!
     
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  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The support and warm vibes in this thread are amazing. Much appreciated.
    Thanks for posting as well. Glad you see it as a road map, that's flattering (and great), but put more weight on the beers I'm choosing rather than my opinions of the beers... it's better to approach the beers from your own perspective.
    Just wait 'til I get to the song and dance number!
     
  10. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    If something isn't listed as a category here, it doesn't mean that it isn't a thing. If BeerAdvocate was limited to just French beers, I bet Biere de Noel would be a "style." In other words, it's a tick if you want it to be.
     
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  11. captaincoffee

    captaincoffee Pooh-Bah (2,218) Jul 10, 2011 Virginia
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    I've been ridiculously consumed at work for the past month, so I completely missed this thread. Now that I'm back to normal hours, I can focus on beer again. Love this thread. I also love picking up random new saisons whenever I travel through Belgium. 750ml format is perfect IMHO for either multiple glasses or putting on the table in place of wine at dinner. I often put out classic Saison Dupont, or maybe Avec Les Bons Voeux, at dinner parties. Although I have to say I just had the Moinette Blond Biologique and I think it might be my favorite of the three.
    Fantome is the one brewery I wish I could get on a regular basis. They are certainly hit and miss like you say, but their hits are amazing.
    Great choices overall. Well done. Curious if you've had the chance to try Cuvée Des Jonquilles?
     
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  12. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I've always wanted to try that one. I saw it for sale once... and between the price and the dusty appearance of the bottle I decided to pass... but I was still tempted. How is it?
     
  13. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Jester King Mad Meg

    Jester King distribution is ghostly by me. Seekabrew doesn't even show NY as within their distribution. A few odd bottles show up once in a blue moon and then disappear. I usually pass on them, but when I saw this one I decided to grab it. This bottle was new to the store when I bought it this year, but the date sticker on the bottle says 2013!

    Mad Meg is another name for Dulle Griet, a woman in (Northern Belgium) Flemish folklore who raids Hell. I adore the work of Renaissance painter Pieter Bruegel the Elder. Here's the inspiration for the Jester King label, his painting of "Mad Meg"

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    Pieter Bruegel's work in relation to beer doesn't come close to stopping there. Here's a beer with his name on it:
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/48/1645/

    When I traveled to Brussels, I drank lots and lots of beer, and was thrilled to see some Bruegel paintings.

    Here's his painting of harvesters:

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    Is this what it looked like when workers drank saison?

    On to the beer. The beer is made with French pilsner malt, wheat, caramunich, and Saaz hops. The beer has an incredible meringue head. It starts off with a sour edge, but as the drinker gets used to it, it turns into a smooth and hoppy beer. At 8.9% it is shockingly drinkable. I am getting no sense of the age of this beer... impressive. It's seriously dry. It's very tasty but somehow not entirely compelling. Nonetheless, it is by far the best beer I've ever had with a blood splattered woman on the label.
     
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  14. captaincoffee

    captaincoffee Pooh-Bah (2,218) Jul 10, 2011 Virginia
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    I picked up a couple bottles at La Cave a Bulles in Paris in June last year based on their recommendation. Lemongrass, some earthy/hay notes, and a bit of light funk. I liked it quite a bit...and more than the two other French saison/bier de garde I had on that trip (Etoile Du Nord and La Petite Princesse from Thiriez).

    As with any beer, I probably wouldn't recommend if it was overly expensive or looked like it wasn't properly stored (old/dusty). I do have the benefit of traveling a lot (including Paris again in September), so I typically buy everything locally. Based on some of the prices I've seen in this thread, I'd have a tough time pulling the trigger on many of these beers in the US.

    I drank one under the Eiffel Tower on a sunny day just after I bought it:
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    The other bottle I decided to cellar to see how the funk would develop. If it is a rare sunny day in London this weekend, I'll probably break it out to try again.

    Your post on Brouwerij De Glazen Toren also got my interest. I'll definitely be looking for them on my next trip to Belgium.
     
  15. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Awesome photo! Cheers!
     
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  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Great photo - thanks for posting!
    I was fortunate to have Thiriez's La Petite Princesse while in Belgium and I thought it was killer.
     
  17. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Logsdon Seizoen Bretta

    I believe "seizon" is Dutch rather than French for "season," but I don't entirely remember.

    David Logsdon. In the 1980s he opened Wyeast Laboratories and co-founded Full Sail. Many years later he started Logsdon Farmhouse Ales. Last year, that company was sold and David went into semi-retirement. Head brewer Chuck Porter left when the sale happened. Judith Barnes, David's wife, was also part of the team. Judith is a Flanders native and she met David in Belgium. Here's the Oregon farmhouse:

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    I feel like this is the brett beer I was waiting for after the previous ones. Once I got past the bee's wax seal, the beer gushed a little bit upon opening. The beer is hazy. The brett is unmistakable. It's a little funky, dry, earthy... and very fruity. There's a sour note that reminds me of white wine. There's a pineapple and citrus quality. The beer has a light body.

    In a fascinating way, it reminded me a little of the fashionable New England IPAs. Hazy appearance, light malt, strong fruit notes. I can jokingly call it a NE Belgian IPA, but the beer has absolutely no resemblance to a "Belgian IPA." Do NE IPAs have any resemblance to English IPAs? :wink:

    A very nice beer.
     
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  18. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    According to the bottle, this beer is "triple fermented." It has been in oak foudres with saison yeast, pinot noir barrels with brett, and then bottled with wine yeast. (There's a theory that Dupont's yeast evolved from red wine yeast.) The beer was dry-hopped with Citra. It is also a spiced saison - with rose hips, peppercorns, and orange peel.

    The first time I had this beer, I liked it, but I wasn't really happy with it. I wasn't initially going to include this beer in the thread. Since this beer is so loved by others, I decided that now was the perfect time to give it a second chance.

    Carbonation is on the low side. The brett is evident. It's fruity with some earth and a little touch of sourness (tanginess is a good word for it). There's a nuanced bitterness and a sweet edge as well. The spice additions are measured - there's just enough to give the beer a weird edge, but not too much of one thing that you'd pick anything out. It's oddly malty and even a touch hot. There's some red wine but I suspect that this might be the power of suggestion influencing me.

    For me this is a case of a brewer trying too hard and it shows. I can understand if others get a sense of the complexity and appreciate the approach. Even though the beer still manages to possess a nice drinkable quality despite all odds, I find this to be a beer with too much personality for its own good... but it's still a good beer.

    This beer puts me in the mood for some Shocking Blue.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @zid, you get bonus points for using the term of tangy ("tanginess").

    Cheers!

    @TongoRad
     
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  20. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I dunno, Jack, it wasn't used as a code word for hoppy. Partial credit, maybe. :wink:
     
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