The best beer... statistically

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by bonsainut, Nov 30, 2020.

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  1. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Wow, that’s a huge drop. Those loyal Bud drinkers in the 80s, are how old now? They went away from Spuds, and the Frogs, lizards, the Clydesdales playing football, and if you ignore it it will go away. I’m thinking under the same umbrella it doesn’t matter all that much because Bud Light is so dominant. No reason to spend money on Bud when you can spend it on BL and pile on the competition. The balls rolling now, and away from my fathers beer to 20ish super light lagers, young, health conscious etc. even doing Bud commercials won’t stop that momentum. So you roll with it and make that ball bigger, same owners, probably doesn’t matter.
     
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  2. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    One of the few benefits of getting old, is that I can actually recall those days.

    As I recall, the "People's Choice*" competition at the GABF was just done for laughs and giggles. No one really took it seriously, outside of Jim Koch apparently. Even back then, most everyone in attendance took the actual GABF judging much more seriously. The last day of the competition was very popular (and generally the most widely attended), just because medals had been handed out the day before and everyone wanted to sample the winners. No one would have stood in line the last day of the GABF to sample the people's choice award winner.

    As near as I could tell, most everyone at the fest found it pretty laughable that Jim Koch would try to suggest that Samuel Adams lager was the best beer on the planet based on that "competition." No one really minded his ballot stuffing efforts at the time because... once again, no one took the competition seriously.

    What annoyed me at the time, was that Jim Koch's antics put an end to the peoples choice award. My impression was that the organizers were pretty pissed that he used the "competition" as a marketing ploy. So they felt they had no alternative but to get rid of it. It was unfortunate (I felt), as it seemed like such a fun, completely innocent competition to have... something you might laugh about over a few beers (comparable to bragging about your favorite football or basketball team).

    To this day, I attribute my gradual waning admiration for Jim Koch to his use of the GABF people's choice award for his own marketing scheme.

    *otherwise known as the annual consumers preference award.
     
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  3. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    Informative graph. This year it could be only 10 million barrels? That's one fifth of the sales 30 years ago. Maybe they are relying on that many a tiny bit aged people remember the old commercials, and drink Bud with nostalgy?
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That is a pretty darn good guess:

    “4. Budweiser

    • Parent company: Anheuser-Busch InBev

    • Barrels shipped in 2019: 10.6 million

    • Shipment change from 2018: -6.6%

    • Market share: 5.14%”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/18/the-most-popular-beer-brands-in-america/111416118/

    And while selling ‘only’ 10.6 million barrels in 2019 is indeed less than the peak value of 49.2 million in 1988, selling over 10 million barrels is no mean feat. Budweiser was the number 4 selling brand in 2019.

    Cheers!
     
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  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Jack. Any information as to how Bud is doing worldwide?

    As I recall, AB-InBev acknowledged some years ago that they expected domestic sales of bud to continue to drop, but were expecting a much more robust international response. If memory serves, AB-InBev specifically mentioned South America and Asia as marketplaces where they expected bud would likely sell very well (as both markets were dominated by what Ab-InBev felt were vastly inferior AAL products).

    If such data is available, I would be very curious to see how Bud sales have done worldwide over the past 5 or 10 years. While I realize the US remains an important market for bud sales, if revenue loss domestically is offset by the sale of Bud overseas, my guess is that Ab-InBev can likely live with that development.
     
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  6. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    BOTH
     
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  7. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    Kind of like saying Michael Jackson is a better musician than somebody else because he sold more records.
     
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  8. bonsainut

    bonsainut Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2014 North Carolina

    No one on this site is going to (hopefully) argue that Budweiser is the best beer :slight_smile: However it is the world's most valuable beer brand... and Anheuser-Busch attributes their most recent growth NOT to a better product, but due to the fact that they sponsored the 2018 FIFA World Cup. This not only expanded their brand awareness internationally, but allowed them to lock up distribution in many markets where they were weak.

    You can't sell if you aren't on the shelf.

    This is all in response to @nc41 's somewhat rhetorical question of how Bud Lite got so big when the product is so weak. It got big because someone spent $$$ billions making it big... not making it better.

    That's why I like the idea of blind taste preference testing. Two beers, no one knows which is which... which one is preferred based solely on taste?
     
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  9. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    China gots lots of folks. Some of them are probably thirsty........
     
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  10. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Another marketing hit, hate the beers but I like these commercials. Imagine how such a silly tag line got so popular. Hear Dilly Dilly and you know what beer they’re talking about.
     
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  11. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Snow sells a shit ton of beer, wonder if they’re.... ehhh ya know politically sponsored. Beer, oil, steel, minerals etc, just another commodity. Money is money.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have no idea.

    Maybe some other BAs have some insight here?

    Cheers!
     
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  13. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Calling Jess.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe send him a text!?! That is what the kids would say, right?:confused:

    Cheers!
     
  15. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Depending on the context of the argument, I will. Going for consistency and quality? Its hard to beat Budweiser and some of the other major big brands.
     
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  16. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    So thats the crazy thing - I was reading up on them - they are sold largely only in China and still it looks like they outsell Budweiser or Bud Light even taking into account their world wide sales.
     
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  17. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    They do appear to be at least in part state owned through China Resources Holdings Company Limited.
     
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  18. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I’ve seen articles that say they’re the #1 selling beer in the world.
     
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  19. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Lol, another commodity that makes money.
     
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  20. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    yea, it all depends on how you count the brands - individually it outsells bud light and Budweiser, but if you go with Bud as the overall family of brands, it is the #1 seller in the world.
     
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