The Difference Between Stouts and Porters

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by SummitSeries72, Nov 12, 2012.

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  1. aminobutyricacid

    aminobutyricacid Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I'd say the distinction mostly applies if a single brewery makes both a stout and a porter. For example, Old Leghumper and Siberian Night. But still with some breweries it can be hard to tell the difference blind.

    That being said, I've been disappointed more often by dark ales marketed as porters than stouts.
     
  2. shaunt0000

    shaunt0000 Initiate (0) May 16, 2009 California
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    Stouts are originally "Stout Porters".
     
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  3. beerloserLI

    beerloserLI Grand Pooh-Bah (3,540) Apr 2, 2011 New York
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    I don't understand how you just don't like them both. I drink both styles and enjoy them. Some are really good, and some not so, etc. Don't debate, just drink.
     
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  4. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    I expected a dead horse to be beaten in here when I entered. I was not disappointed. Regardless, even if a brewery can name a dark beer a porter or stout to it's liking; an overwhelming majority of Porters have had a taste largely of chocolate malt and crystal malts; while a stout shows more charred dark chocolate notes with coffee because of black barley and dark roasted malt. You can kill the dead horse all you want, but my opinion will always be the same. Sure, porters can use roasted malt but classically the caramel, toffee, and milk chocolate will be there.

    Go ahead, throw your stylistic historical articles at me. I couldn't care less
     
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  5. mjryan

    mjryan Pooh-Bah (1,571) Dec 22, 2007 Minnesota
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    Chocolate malt is a dark roasted malt. Black malt, another supposed main stay of porters is kilned to approximately the same degree lovibond as unmalted black barley. History aside, in a blind test, porter/stouts of roughly the same gravity are going to be hard to distinguish from each other.
     
  6. Martyartie

    Martyartie Devotee (337) Oct 22, 2003 England

    Wrong. Historically, stout and porter recipes were identical. When brewers started using roasted barley in stout, they started using it in porter as well.
     
  7. Martyartie

    Martyartie Devotee (337) Oct 22, 2003 England

    And your evidence for that assertion is what, exactly? Date(s) you made a survey of porters and stouts to back this claim up? Names of porters and stouts in your survey? Or might you be ... making it up?
     
  8. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    When people say they have detected a difference what this means is that some of the ones that they have experienced show this trend.I certainly have never noticed any pattern which would differentiate between stouts and porters and I've sampled a hell of a lot of both.All I can say is that I love dark beers and I don't care what they are called :slight_smile:
     
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  9. ColinStClaire

    ColinStClaire Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2012 Washington

    History and official guides aside, stouts to me are more hefty in mouthfeel and taste. But what does it really matter? They're both delicious! Just drink em!
     
  10. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Zealot (540) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    Which was my point exactly when I started this thread. I find stouts to be more full-bodied ("Hefty" is your term) in taste and mouthfeel. That is why I like stouts better. I like porters, but I cannot help but feel, when I drink porters, that I wish I were drinking a good stout. Porters, then, tend to be disappointing for me. Kind of like having merlot; I almost always wish I were having a Cabernet. (Excuse the wine excursis there; I assure you that I am a beer guy first and foremost!)
     
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  11. mychalg9

    mychalg9 Pooh-Bah (2,123) Apr 8, 2010 Illinois
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    Easy, I buy stouts more than I buy porters
     
  12. tectactoe

    tectactoe Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan
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    Might I recommend Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald porter to the OP - this is one of my favorites.
     
  13. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Pooh-Bah (1,789) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Shhh.

    Typically, a porter uses amber malts, whereas a stout uses dark malts. Both use ale yeasts versus lager yeasts. An imperial stout typically doubles the malts or 1.5's the malts of a standard stout.
    Discussion over. Bye.
     
  14. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Initiate (0) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Yes, and we blew the doors off the argument, and anyone still left thinking there was a difference was mocked.

    But porters are roastier!
    (provide 30x roasty stouts)

    but porters are thinner!
    (provide 30x thicker-mouthfeel porters)

    but stouts are higher alcohol!
    (provide 30x imperial porters stronger than same brewery's stouts)

    but but but but THEY ARE JUST DIFFERENT, OK???
    (storms off)
     
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  15. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Pooh-Bah (1,789) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    THIS ^, but in to achieve viscosity and flavor alterations, read my other reply above. Basically the gold standard.
     
  16. TravisMBinns

    TravisMBinns Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2011 Illinois

    I know the answer...who would really drink BCBP? I just doesn't flow as well as BCBS. It's all about the acronyms!
     
  17. tectactoe

    tectactoe Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan
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    KBP, FBP, BCBP..... My god, you might be on to something.
     
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  18. AcE311

    AcE311 Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012

    Porters I relate more to a brown ale for some reason or maybe its just me. They seem to have the hop present more than stouts and less kinda of mossy if you will.
     
  19. tectactoe

    tectactoe Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan
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    Basically, you have....

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