The Problem with American Craft

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  1. beardown2489

    beardown2489 Pooh-Bah (1,966) Oct 5, 2012 Illinois
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    Don't we want our great breweries to be able to execute every style well? Isn't this why FW and others like them are so highly regarded?
     
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  2. Ohsdrummer08

    Ohsdrummer08 Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2014 California

    In my opinion, there are many breweries who do not produce a single beer I would buy after initially tasting it. I, like most, have variations in almost every style than I can appreciate for what they are. However, this is simply the way the world is. Not everyone will like everyone's products. Hence the unending supply of garage bands. Breweries, like many bands, often start in garages. Some should remain there because all they can produce are mediocre imitations and covers of the style they enjoy. The funny thing is, it is in no way limited to America. If you enjoy European styles more, then naturally you will feel that many more American Style brewing companies are "unnecessary". I'm not a huge fan of 80% of canned beer or Nickelback, but that doesn't mean that mediocrity doesn't have a HUGE market.
     
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  3. Vitacca

    Vitacca Pooh-Bah (2,250) Sep 15, 2010 Montana
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    Absolutely but then people will get into the whole Sierra Nevada and Sam Adams debate. I'm not going down that road.
     
  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Several states allow self distribution by breweries. And they can work with a distributor, but to cross state lines they have to work with a distributor. E.g., Russian River does self disribution to the north SF Bay area and uses distributors for other places in CA. Their beers that get into the Philly area come through a well known local distributor.
     
  5. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    I will agree with this to a point, if a great brewery can do a classic style with high success they have certainly proved their mettle, but to that end, great breweries are the ones making more than just pale ales and stouts anyway. for my money the pale ale and stouts are (or at least should be in terms of execution of the style) something for the tap and not as much for the bottle, when I buy beer from the bottle, I want something exceptional, from the tap I want something refreshing
     
  6. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    ah well yeah good point, I didn't mean to argue the numbers, those are both exceptional breweries in their own sense that embody what craft is about, but any business that can grow while retaining quality standards and doesn't is pretty foolish
     
  7. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    It was a great pleasure to watch the triumph you all had against the forces trying to stop homebrew and local brew in your state. It was featured on BA for quite a while, and a goodly number of BA's were active in the movement. Here's hoping your future can be what we are having now.

    This is the latest development for us, man, the future's so bright for beer here I gotta wear shades.

    http://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/2014/11/13/cuomo-signs-bill-craft-beer/18975847/
     
  8. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    the shades are also because we had so much of it the night before haha
     
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  9. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    speaking of the great state of new york, I would love some day to make it up to ommegang, just looking at photos of the place makes me weep with joy
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As has been mentioned previously, Alabama is relatively new/early to the American craft beer movement. If we consider the more mature American craft beer markets (e.g., Pacific Northwest, California, Southeastern PA, etc.) as models then hopefully it is just a matter of time before Alabama becomes a more mature market for American craft beer?

    Maybe the analogy of you must first learn to crawl before you learn to walk applies here?

    Cheers!
     
  11. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    people here will soon start to be reared on better product, at least that's the hope. Cultivating a more discerning consumer who knows better than to drink swill and knows it when they taste it, it's happening it just has to keep happening
     
  12. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    You know the old saying, The cream rises to the top.
    My neck of the woods is just seeing the craft boom happen what was 2 craft breweries and 4 brewpubs in a province of under 1 million people, its now up to 15, with 5 more opening in the next year or two. And as much as id love to see each on flourish and prosper the fact is we need 15 more just to push the mediocre stuff out, sometimes better things happen from others failures.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Permit me to suggest attending the Belgium comes to Cooperstown event. I went one year and the Ommegang brewery setting is truly an idyllic setting; photographs do not genuinely do it justice. Plus there is lots of great beer at the event; both imported and North American brewed!

    Cheers!
     
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  14. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    there is an element of social darwinism here but in this context survival of the fittest is a mutualist end that works for the best of all involved
     
  15. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    I'm familiar with it, though i've never been, it looked spectacular
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “…sometimes better things happen from others failures.” Another thing to consider is that competition does have the ability to get folks to learn how to make better beer. I have seen this on more than one occasion in SEPA.

    Cheers!
     
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  17. beardown2489

    beardown2489 Pooh-Bah (1,966) Oct 5, 2012 Illinois
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    sadly, having lived in huntsville for a year, that process may take a while from what i saw. But hey, better late than never.

    people are stuck in their ways down there, if you know what i mean
     
  18. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    The real question is when isn't it?
     
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  19. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    Thanks for the info. Mental model of 3 tier system amended. :-)
     
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  20. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    things are a tad better in birmingham than hunstville to that end, but what I think may be helping most are not the local breweries but the specialty stores and restaurants carrying craft, that's how you get the people who would never try it otherwise, still there is indeed a long way to go
     
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