The Protected Geographic Indication (PGI) Beer Style Guidelines

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  1. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Daft Eejit Brewing? :thinking_face:
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Ron (@patto1ro),

    I noticed in the linked PGI Beer Style Guidelines that Märzen is not just a strength designation but a definition for a specific beer type:

    “Märzen

    OG °P: 13.2 – 14.0
    % ABV: 5.3 – 6.2
    EBC: 8.0 – 32.5
    IBU: 21.0 – 25.0

    Very mellow, palatable, mild, altbayerisch aroma to malty aroma, very mild bitterness.”

    What are your thoughts here?

    Cheers!
     
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    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    "palateful" :laughing:

    Yeah, with the last Export Hell I had, I immediately thought to myself after the first sip: Damn, this here beer sure is real palateful :joy:.

    Maybe I shouldn't be laughing, it's in Merriam Webster, but my dumb non-native speaker ass sure thought it was funny :sweat_smile:.
     
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    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    Think we can do better than this :grin:

    By all means, nice effort, but with those NA beer definitions I might have to look for another hobby...this could have been accurate in 1992 though.
     
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    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Not to mention the fact that apparently they've de-funded the BJCP Beer Police! No records of any arrests that I can find, anyway.
    __________

    The early proposed regulations under the post-Repeal Federal Alcohol Administration Act in the US had much stricter definitions - called "standards of identity" - for some beer styles. Take for instance this one:
    But the brewers objected. "We gotta use what kind of yeast? How much barley malt + adjuncts? We can't make it darker? Gotta be how strong? Ah, c'mon - this is America, our ancestors came here for the freedom to brew anything they wanted and call it by whatever name that sells - where's our freedom!
    (PS - Thanks for gettin' rid of Prohibition. Did we mention that?)"

    So, we now have this legal (and vague) definition of Ale:
     
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    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Andreas Krennmair commented towards the end of the post (with emphasis in bold by me):

    The next question is of course: how would any of this be enforced? Several of the official documents list contact addresses for fraudulent usage of the PGI term, but what would be fraudulent here? If a Bavarian brewed a 45 IBU Pils and put a Bavarian Beer PGI logo on their bottles, would that constitute fraud and a misuse of the PGI logo? Or are these style descriptions just vague suggestions? That’s been entirely unclear to me.”

    I suspect that the PGI has the same level of ‘police force’ as the BJCP, i.e., none.

    Cheers!
     
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    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    You got me there. At least you're paying attention. I was surprised at the 13.2 Plato minimum for Märzen, while for Oktoberfestbier it's 13.6 Plato.
     
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    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    They don't really have any force in law. Yet.

    You might want to look at the list of contributors to the BJCP guidelines.
     
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    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Andreas is a good lad. His book on Vienna Lager is dead good.
     
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    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, yes I am.
    Another case of poor legislation/law? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Cheers!
     
  15. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    At least within the EU these are legally enforced labeling conventions. Similar to champaign, balsamic from Modena, and Parmigiano. I believe it's the exact same program actually.
     
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