The real IPAs

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  1. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Everybody who is reading this should know the story of IPAs and how hops and increased alcohol acted as a preservative. Well, in that case, the original IPAs were nothing like today's. So my reason for starting this thread is this: has anybody taken an IPA on a simulated long sea voyage and see what it tastes like? All of this emphasis on freshness is understandable since you want to enjoy the beer the way the brewer intended but it presents an interesting project. And the best way to do such a project is to have the beer in a cask and unrefrigerated. Anybody out there ever do something like this?
     
  2. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    If we are talking about "real IPAs" meaning historical versions, can we please dispel some some misconceptions? The historical IPAs were not necessarily higher in alcohol content, in fact they were often lower in abv than a pale.
     
  3. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    No.the only voyage my IPA'S take are fresh from the store to my fridge and then to my belly
     
  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Pete Brown did it. Hops and Glory.
     
  5. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

    I had a few IPA's on my cruise around the Caribbean!
     
  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    "Hops and Glory" is entertaining and gives one feel for what a beer goes through on the boat journey. We got our cop through alibris.com as it is not published in the US as far as I know.
     
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  7. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Initiate (0) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    brewdog made an IPA that fermented at sea, or something like that.
     
  8. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Historical IPA's.

    Not sure the one is more or less REAL.
     
  9. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Celebration Ale takes a long journey in many BA's cellars and survives......
     
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  10. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Except that isn't true. The original IPA's were standard strength for the time. Bass's IPA was the second weakest beer they brewed.
     
  11. silentjay

    silentjay Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2008 Massachusetts

    stopped reading at this.
    hops do not have any effect on alcohol content
     
  12. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    Read it again. He wrote, hops AND increased alcohol acted as a preservative. He did not say hops increased alcohol.
     
  13. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2006 Iowa

    /end thread...........
     
  14. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Brewdog Atlantic IPA was put in a cask, traveled at sea for a couple months, was then bottled, had awesome artwork by johanna basford, and cost $20.
     
  15. BrownNut

    BrownNut Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Florida

    I read somewhere a while back that increased hop levels in IPAs had nothing to do with extra preservation for the long trip to India. I can't find what I read, but here's something similar. I can't vouch for the veracity of either story.

    EDIT: Here's another article about it from the blog of a guy who I think posts in this forum. And the executive summary link at the bottom of that page leads to another longer article about it. Dispels a few myths about IPAs.
     
  16. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    I tend to take all information given about historical ipa's with a grain of salt, no matter the source. With so much conflicting info out there, I think its a waste of my time to even try, and its not going to change a damn thing about the ipa's available to me today.
     
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  17. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    The way Bass wanted you to drink their bottled Pale Ale was at least 12 months old. Even the beer sold in Britain was more than a year old. It had 6 to 9 months in a cask stacked up in the brewery yard, another month or two in the cask at the bottlers, then a few more months to mature after bottling.

    Pale Ales were originally brewed as Stock Ales, i.e. beers that weren'yt meant to be drunk young.
     
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  18. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    Ron, out of curiosity, how did a new brewer survive financially back then if so much stock was aged for an extended time before being sold?
     
  19. Caudalie

    Caudalie Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2011 Canada (QC)

    Tried 3 IPAS brewed by "L'Albion" here in quebec, based on a 19th century recipe. They were aged differently, one was pretty much regular stuff, refermented in bottle, another one was aged at varying temperatures between 30 and 40 celsius, and was shaked on a regular basis. The last one was aged and served in wooden cask for some time. All three beers were produced at same time. Result? The original beer was the best, and their regular bitter (3,7% alc) was, as usual, the best in my opinion. Bad conditions only gave more dried leafs characteristics to the product, and cask was a bit too vanilla oriented for my tastes (for an IPA)
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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