The Totally 100% Subjective, "Is it Worth $1+/oz?", Thread

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  1. Jasonrm72

    Jasonrm72 Maven (1,386) Apr 29, 2012 Colorado
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    My purpose for this thread isn't to rehash discussions such as, "If you can't afford it, don't buy it", or "There's no vanilla bean in the world worth $5" or anything like that. I think it's understood at this point that prices are going to continue to rise for a multitude of reasons and if one can't afford a beer (or anything) then they shouldn't spend the $.
    My purpose is to simply to provide an avenue for people to express their opinions of beers that approach, reach, or exceed $1/oz and whether they're worth it or not. The hopes are that it can be used as a guideline for people who are teetering on the edge of buying a higher priced beer. Though the reviews on beers cover flavor, body, carbonation, etc, they rarely cover cost vs flavor.

    To start things off, I won't be going crazy with details, since most of these are well known.

    Avery:
    The beers that I think are worth it (keeping it to somewhat recent releases):
    • Uncle Jacobs, Tweak, Rumpkin, Pump[KY]n, Islay, Dui Cochi, Xolotl, Callipygian

    Not worth it:
    • Fiel al Estilo, Double D's, Old Perseverance
    Others in no particular order:
    • Station 26 BA Dark Star: for the moment worth it, we'll see how this year's goes.
    • B&B Liquid Brain: the increase from $13 to $16 for the 500ml brings me to the brink, especially since I liked the latest version less than '13 & '14, but still worth it.
    • Fiction BA Malice and Darkness: 500ml $18 (if I remember correctly), really good beer fresh, not quite worth it
    • Fiction BA Feely Effects: I think this was also $18 for 500ml and only about 8%, not bad, but not worth it
    • Launch Pad BA Soyuz: $20 for 22oz, not worth it, overall kinda weak after that Laws barrel wore off, aged terribly.
    • Cerebral Here Be Monsters: was 500ml for $16, now it's $18. Worth it at $16, I probably won't end up with an $18 bottle to see if it's $2 better or not.
    • Dry Dock Bligh's: Usually $20 at the brewery, can be found for $18 at stores, but after tax, $20. BWs aren't my thing, but I've enjoyed the last 2 years, I'll go with Worth it.
    • Firestone Walker Parabola: Usually worth it. Yes: '12, "14, '15 (the last batch I got), No: '13.
    Not a comprehensive list by anyone's imgination, but I just wanted to get the ball rolling.
     
  2. southdenverhoo

    southdenverhoo Pooh-Bah (1,567) Aug 13, 2004 Colorado
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    I really don't buy beer that costs $1 per oz anymore but am eagerly awaiting responses from regular contributors who do, not least as a way to separate the (expensive) wheat from the (expensive) chaff on the rare occasion when I DO feel like a splurge. From my limited experience in this market (7 of the beers on @Jasonrm72 's list, both worth it and not) i agree 100% with him...

    Great thread concept!
     
  3. Dan_K

    Dan_K Pooh-Bah (1,980) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado
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    Liquid Brain - wasn't it $18 a bottle last year? Pretty good beer, not sure if it's worth the price per ounce based on the 2016 batch.
    Royal Oil- even more expensive, but worth it, as a special treat.
    Cerebral HBM & VHBM- based on batch 1, absolutely worth it.
    Tweak and Uncle Jacobs- Yes indeed.
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    Goose Island BCBS- less than $1/oz, and blows the average BA Imperial Stout away
    Oskar Blues BATF- less than $1/oz and again, above average beer
     
  4. stevefenster

    stevefenster Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2016 Colorado

    I've been on the fence for BA Dark Star, so definitely curious to hear what others think...
     
  5. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    These are all bottled beers we're talking about, right? Just for clarity because I find $1-plus per ounce beers on tap all of the time. And what happened to draft being cheaper than bottles? It goes into a keg... there's not bottle, no label, no cap, no six or four pack or loose divider, and no mother case... none of those extra costs, and it's easier and quicker to fill so less labor is involved... why have draft specialties eclipsed the cost of single bottles?
     
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  6. MtnSoup

    MtnSoup Initiate (0) May 20, 2013 Colorado

    I think a big part of this conversation should revolve around scarcity. If there's a beer I know is overpriced, or just more than I think it should cost, but I'm not sure the next time I'll have the opportunity to buy it...I often roll the dice and just buy it.

    I try not to buy beers as they increase hugely in price, but have a bunch of verticals, so get lassoed into it.

    I pretty much draw the line at FiftyFifty Vertical Eclipse — never had one worth the price...I'll buy pretty much anything once though just to see if it's worth justification in the future.

    Liquid Brain is worth it. I think Dry Dock's pricing is about as reasonable as anyones.
     
  7. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I've gotten to the point where I don't even pay attention to prices. After seeing what world class beers cost in Europe, we're getting hosed from normal 'ol Sierra Nevada Pale Ale all the up way to Utopias. Plus, packaged beer pricing tends to be arbitrary. I've been a part of numerous conversations where prices were devised out of thin air. Especially special items.
    I just pay whatever they tell me to pay or I don't.
     
  8. Steve_0

    Steve_0 Initiate (0) Mar 14, 2012 Colorado
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    This is so true. Its insane how much cheaper world class beer is over there when you compare it to what breweries charge here.
     
  9. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    ITT: exclusively subjective comments :wink:



    Love the idea and wondering if my thoughts on the worthiness of the imperial coffee stout release from cerebral this morning had something to do with this thread?
     
  10. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    ZUM WOHL! .79 euro for a half liter of decent beer in a German grocery store --- .99 euro for a better beer! @ 3,30 euro for a half liter vom fass :heart_eyes: Beer in Prague - even less. And even in the UK, a proper Imperial pint (none of these 14 ounce filled to the rim "pint glasses" that we use here yielding 10 to 12 ounces) costs only about 5 euros at a pub.

    On the other hand we do have a greater selection, and part of that is due to smaller breweries that have higher operating costs. So, a trade-off. The problem here is that some breweries are taking advantage of the situation, and quite a few bars are taking way too much advantage of the situation. I used to think that $8 for a beer at a ballpark was outrageous but now I'm finding $8 "pints" in pubs to be becoming common.
     
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  11. Jasonrm72

    Jasonrm72 Maven (1,386) Apr 29, 2012 Colorado
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    I've been tempted to start this thread about a dozen time over the past handful of months. Once $30 bombers sold out in minutes, I really thought that I personally could make use of it.
    With all the beers being released this week through Black Friday, I figured it was the perfect time.

    As for on tap vs packaged: whatever, though I'm more interested in packaged prices, I don't see why draft prices can't be noted. Which means my Avery responses change since those are all $9 for 5oz
     
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  12. denver10

    denver10 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,155) Nov 17, 2010 New Mexico
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    I don't focus so much of cost per ounce, my attention is generally towards overall cost of a product. 98% of the time I will give a hard pass to any bottled beer that costs $20 or greater, even 750 ml bottles, but if the mood strikes I won't think twice about spending $10 for a 10 ounce pour at the bar or brewery -- albeit I only do that once for a beer.
     
  13. FarmerTed

    FarmerTed Pundit (928) May 31, 2011 Colorado

    If you have to wait in line, it ain't worth it.
     
  14. bentnorton

    bentnorton Initiate (0) Apr 21, 2015 Colorado

    In my head, any bottle that you have to actually wait in line for costs $5-$10 more just for the inconvenience. I'm a big fan of the online releases. Sure, they're not perfect, but it beats waiting in line to maybe get a beer.
     
  15. Jasonrm72

    Jasonrm72 Maven (1,386) Apr 29, 2012 Colorado
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    After Station 26 announced their online bottle sale, I started to question how many releases like this I would actually do once the fees kick a beer over $1/oz. But the more I started to think about it, I consider my time to be much more valuable than the extra $6 for 3 bottles in fees vs 2 hours of waiting around.
    Once upon a time, like 3 years ago, waiting in an Avery line was actually fun.
    But, alas, they are long gone.
     
  16. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    My tolerance of lines mostly comes down to how convenient (or inconvenient) they are. I'm far more likely to get into a line that doesn't involve waking up early or driving to bumblefuck. That's so 2015. That and they better be for something with no equivalent. A BA stout? There are a million of those and they mostly taste the same. No thanks. A hazy fruited IPA or a spiced quad? You have my attention.
     
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  17. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,680) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    Fair market value (FMV) is an estimate of the market value of a property, based on what a knowledgeable, willing, and unpressured buyer would probably pay to a knowledgeable, willing, and unpressured seller in the market.

    It is totally subjective, so I think if you're looking for consensus, it's the beers that don't stay on the shelves vs. the shelf turds. If beer is priced appropriately (aside from the 0.1% of hyped BA Stouts) the beer will sell, if not, it won't. That should be your indicator of whether a beer is worth $1/oz.

    What have you done with the real Domingo? I thought it was RiL (Reinheitsgebot is Life) for you? J/k.
     
  18. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I've always had a soft spot for "candy beers" (I full-on love New Glarus) but I'll take a Franconian lagerbier over all of 'em. The great perk of beer in the US is that we have access to pretty much anything, even if we do willingly pay an arm and a leg.
     
  19. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,680) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    Agree with all of this.
     
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  20. Jasonrm72

    Jasonrm72 Maven (1,386) Apr 29, 2012 Colorado
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    Epic Triple Baptist: $18 for 22oz. Worth it. Full body and flavor of BBB, maybe a bit richer. Bourbon about the same as most BBBs, there but not in yo' face. Just enough coconut to know it's there, but I wouldn't expect it to still be there even 6mo from now.
     
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