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The White Whale List - 2012

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by AgentZero, Dec 24, 2012.

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  1. AgentZero

    AgentZero Poo-Bah (2,336) Jul 19, 2009 Illinois
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    White Whale doesn't necessarily equal "tastes good" or even "good beer." End of the day, drink what makes you happy.

    And yeah, if it came down to strictly taste, I'd take Upland Kiwi over a number of these beers.
  2. aasher

    aasher Poo-Bah (2,653) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    Great beer, not worthy of this list though.
  3. Tnudish

    Tnudish Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    I can proudly say I'm going to shove beers from this list in your face the next time you and I are drinking in the same room =P
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  4. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (1,805) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    So...people are fond of Cantillon I see.
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  5. Sean9689

    Sean9689 Poo-Bah (2,171) Mar 17, 2009 Illinois
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    Sorry an arbitrary list of beers has made you sick. Perhaps you are taking it the wrong way?

    Thank you, Captain Obvious.
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  6. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Sorry that my arbitrary comment on the internet has made you snippy. Maybe you took it too seriously?
  7. KevSal

    KevSal Savant (968) Oct 17, 2010 California
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    Let the wale hunting begin!

    Thanks for the list, if anything it's always fun to check this out, makes fun debate. Shit top 100 list have kept vh1 in business
  8. KiMiRaiK

    KiMiRaiK Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2012 Washington

    Very interesting, nice to see a 2012 list. I can hardly pronounce most of these... lol

    Damn you public schooling
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  9. Sean9689

    Sean9689 Poo-Bah (2,171) Mar 17, 2009 Illinois
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    It's funny, for someone who must not care or agree with this list, you're all over it liking post after post that says anything negative. Like I said, it's a list that a group of people created for fun. No need to get sick over it, dude. :grinning: I'm just looking out for your well being. Perhaps you should take some Advil and get some rest?

    I see you've been here since May 2012...perhaps you can teach us something about "whales"?
  10. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    I am no whale hunter but it is fun to browse the list. I have only had some vintage Fou F'oune as it has been a favorite for over 10 years, and 10 years ago Loons were shelf beers.

    SPLITGRIN Poo-Bah (1,604) May 13, 2003 Kentucky
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    One beer that has long since been forgotten that is not on the list is Magic Hat Thumbsucker. This was always one of the top ten of mine, but I have given up on it.
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  12. AgentZero

    AgentZero Poo-Bah (2,336) Jul 19, 2009 Illinois
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    Will add it to the next go around. I had it earlier this year, still holding up well, solid. I don't anticipate it would make the top 100, but I could be wrong. A lot of the ranking did not go how I expected.
  13. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    It seems to have 2 things working against it: most recent reviews are saying solid at best and the other is it being a Magic Hat beer. Nothing againt Magic Hat but they would seem out of place on this list.
  14. HenrikO

    HenrikO Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2011 Sweden

    #8, #37, #42 (2), #81, #128, #142. Better go to work then.

    Good work on the list, guys.
  15. Jeffo

    Jeffo Poo-Bah (2,745) Sep 7, 2008 Netherlands

    Thanks for all the hard work gents. It was a lot of fun putting this list together.

  16. westcoastbeerlvr

    westcoastbeerlvr Poo-Bah (1,882) Oct 19, 2010 California

    Looks like i've had 64/100. Guess I've got something to work on for 2013.
  17. darkmoon66

    darkmoon66 Aspirant (246) Oct 8, 2011 California
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    VE 02-02-02, Cable Car Kriek and Bourbon Vanilla Dark Lord are what I have had from the top 100.
  18. codysjb

    codysjb Devotee (424) Jun 16, 2010 Prince Edward Island (Canada)
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    If I may make one suggestion that would help me and some other ppl. Could you add years in parenthesis next to batch numbers to make it a little easier to discern between vintages? Eg: batch 1 (2009). But this list looks great, truly amazing to have such an educated committee spend the time on this. We should have it pinned near the top 100 ba list if possible.
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  19. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Initiate (199) Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin
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    Nice work.

    Any bottles that had to be excluded from the list cause there are no known bottles? Conversely, any bottles on the list that might not exist any more?
  20. Capt_Ahab

    Capt_Ahab Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2012

    Ah, finally!, someone who understands the ineffable nature of the white whale. The lone assailable demon. My one and only purpose, that which I singularly, fanatically, and madly sought to extirpate; that which, I seeking, bound me by my own harpoon-line, dragging me into the unfathomable depths, my last breath spat at thee.

    The whale’s whiteness a sign of the harrowing cosmic blankness that exists outside of the sphere of the mind; the great empty, disorderly universe—ignorant of our explanations for pursuing our ends, not caring for our obsessions, not seeking out our darker, unhinted-at reasons for acting. White, to be filled with the objects of our listful quests; a vehicle for our half-formed, unshareable self-realizations. That which we, feeling the entire delirious torment of life and thought, individually choose to pursue. To attempt to define such a thing, to try and force the objects of our monomania on others, to ascribe one meaning to the empty white symbol, to act as if our desires are knowable, shareable, universalizable . . . there could be no greater misunderstanding, no greater stupidity, no greater folly.
  21. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    I have had 78 out of th 177 listed. Not too shabby.

    Were are the 1980's DeDolle's on this list?
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  22. TurdFurgison

    TurdFurgison Poo-Bah (3,058) May 29, 2005 Ohio
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    That's no fair counting past the top 100! But I did it too, and came up with 103/177.
  23. Corbet

    Corbet Initiate (164) Nov 7, 2010 Michigan
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    My only problem with "White Whale" lists are that some of the beers are past their prime and not worth tracking down.

    Granted, that doesn't mean every bottle of a white whale is over the top, but I'd much rather see someone do a "retired" White Whale list and a "active" White Whale list, differentiating between what is actually worth drinking/tracking down.

    Nobody wants to kill the decrepit whale that's dying at the bottom of the ocean.
  24. forgetfu

    forgetfu Initiate (174) Jul 27, 2007 Colorado
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    We didn't specifically exclude anything with no known bottles, but no one really suggested those for consideration.

    Looking back at the top 100, I'm reasonably certain that everything on the list exists.
  25. AgentZero

    AgentZero Poo-Bah (2,336) Jul 19, 2009 Illinois
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    It was a point that was debated over during the creation of the list. The goal was simple, to see what people's perception of a white whale was. Taste only mattered as much as the individual who ranked it thought it should. Some of these beers will undoubtedly not taste as good as something you could grab off your shelf, but that doesn't mean they aren't white whales, it may just mean they are bad beers.
  26. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Obviously a list like this is polarizing to many. I'm certainly not one to get caught up in the whale race, but I don't have a problem with these lists, and I don't really think anybody should. If it bothers you, there is an easy way to view it from a historical angle and it should make more sense.

    When you think about a list like this, you have to realize that very little of it actually trades anyway. Thus while it is easy to claim that this is creating an artificially inflated market of hype, in reality, it's more about documenting the world's ultra-rare but excellent beers of the past. Without a list like this, names like Dave or M would have faded away into obscurity by now. But, because this keeps them in the conversation, new users can see a list like this and be able to appreciate a bit of modern beer history.

    Ultimately this is the equivalent of some art house blog's Top 100 movies of all time. A highly subjective but interesting take.
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  27. tbadiuk

    tbadiuk Aspirant (272) Feb 9, 2009 Manitoba (Canada)
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    I really think there should be "lambic" and "non-lambic" versions of this list. Otherwise, as time--->infinity contents of list--->Cantillon/3F. :stuck_out_tongue:
  28. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    I probably ticked some more to be honest. A lot of the Veritas stuff has been served at the EBF over the years but I don't always pay attention that that stuff at that fest.
  29. SpdKilz

    SpdKilz Meyvn (1,359) Jan 8, 2009 Illinois
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    I find the list very interesting. Thanks for the work! On a side note, since P3 is ranked low, anyone want to just give me one? :slight_smile:
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  30. DSlim71

    DSlim71 Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2010 New Jersey

    Since DDG is ranked so low, just want to give me one? Oh wait...
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  31. Siggy125

    Siggy125 Devotee (460) Nov 10, 2006 California
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    Nice that you prefaced the list by admitting there will be disagreements, but I'll toss in an observation in an attempt to keep you honest.

    The list is heavily tilted towards sours/wilds. Either the committee is stacked in that direction or my beer style preferences are a little too narrow. I'm okay with either. Interesting thread though....
  32. jedwards

    jedwards Initiate (2) Feb 3, 2009 California

    You need a demand, too :wink:

    Also, I enjoy the lists. I'm a little out of the scene these days so it's fun to see what new stuff people are fascinated by, etc.
  33. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    Yeah some of the stuff is not that good to be honest.

    I am not sure I would even concider some of the stuff to be wales. Any of the Narke or Sweedish/Finnish Lambic one off stuff can easily be ticked with a trip to Helsinki or Stockholm and a couple grand to spend at the bar.

    Real wales are beers that don't exist any more. If you can buy it isn't a whale IMHO. You just have to travell, have deep pockets ect. Nobody is selling Dave. Anywhere.
  34. tbadiuk

    tbadiuk Aspirant (272) Feb 9, 2009 Manitoba (Canada)
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    That's a good point. If its still sold at a bar, should it even be on the list?
  35. forgetfu

    forgetfu Initiate (174) Jul 27, 2007 Colorado
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    That would invalidate a lot of the list, really. Blauw, Crianza Helena, 99 Drie Fonteinen, Drie Fonteinen 50th Anniversary, etc. If someone's willing to fly halfway around the world to try a beer at the one bar where it's sold, wouldn't that make it a wale?

    Edit: Blabaer's sold onsite at Olbutikken.
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  36. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Well, when you think about it, there aren't many styles that hold up really long-term. Even your typical RIS or barleywine goes downhill after 3-5. So, for the most part, the only things that really have enough time to "whale up" are going to be lambics, sours that age well, and the occasional oddball that defies age. (like Dave or 19% stouts)
  37. travMI13

    travMI13 Aspirant (213) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan
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    Where's King Henry? I thought it went 1:1 for most of these....

    Seriously, though. Nice work. It's now painfully obvious that I have a bit of work to do.
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  38. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    A lot of the wales I slayed off this list were at bars. Granted they were bars in Belgium. I mean you can tick 5-6 of them at one place De Heren. Blauw, Rose, Helena, Millenuim, Rodenbach Alexander probably others too. A bunch more of the slayed wales were in Lovell Maine. Not techinically at a bar but rather a basement. lol
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  39. RWNewhouse

    RWNewhouse Initiate (118) Feb 14, 2011 Montana

    I think one was left off and should be added at least somewhere in the top 10. It's called (pre).
  40. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (968) Mar 17, 2009 Washington
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    I think something like oude gueuze vintage should be split apart. There are obviously more coveted vintages in that series. This may open up some sub-list for outstanding lambic or whatever style vintages and first bottlings.
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