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The White Whale List - 2012

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by AgentZero, Dec 24, 2012.

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  1. AgentZero

    AgentZero Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    Some agree with you, I personally ranked the Narke beers significantly lower than what their overall rankings ended up being. Because there is no defined whale criteria, whales exist on because of perception of their desirability. The ranking methodology therefore was to rank them based on your perception of them as a whale.

    As it's completely subjective, you can't really get it wrong, and all we ended up doing was averaging a lot of peoples' subjective opinions to try to get a general overview of what beers people consider are whales.

    None of us agree with the list either, but it was a fun exercise to try to get a look at an overall picture of whales.
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  2. AgentZero

    AgentZero Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    Wait until the 2013 year when it busts into the top 20 with Cherry Rye BCS and RareR DOS.
  3. cfrances33

    cfrances33 Jun 12, 2012 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    Move over Dave... Cherry Rye is the real whale in these waters...
  4. TurdFurgison

    TurdFurgison May 29, 2005 Ohio
    Beer Trader

    What BoA said.

    2002 Oude Gueuze Vintage is in the highest echelon. I didn't even like some of the vintages, they are very different beers.
  5. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    That and the Valentine gueuze are some of the best 3F blends I've had.
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  6. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    The Guezue for lovers was pretty freaking good stuff.
  7. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    Where is the Earthmonk 750 ML? That is a wale if I ever saw one.
  8. cpferris

    cpferris Jan 22, 2008 Indiana
    Beer Trader

    Cool list guys. Obviously there will be variation in every person's list...but this has all the significant ones nailed down. I didn't do a count, but proud to have shared many from the list with the cool BA's I've known in my years on this site.

    Maybe one day I'll get to try some of the top...but it's cool...most of those beers are are really top notch and it's a pleasure and treat to drink most any of them.

    Now I just gotta find a new tasting crew to split some of these rarities with. My old bay area crew will be tough to top.

    Cheers all...and happy holidays.
  9. tehzachatak

    tehzachatak Sep 19, 2010 Massachusetts

    Last time I was in that basement I didn't even know what a wale was. If I only knew then what I know now...
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  10. AgentZero

    AgentZero Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    Earthmallet did not make it either, and it tasted better and was significantly more rare.
  11. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    A true beer hunter would do that. I did:) There is nowhere you could buy a Dave, Batch One Castleton ect ect ect.
  12. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    Don't get started on the Earthmallet. My number one most wanted tick.... UGH.
  13. AgentZero

    AgentZero Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    That takes a lot of disposable income that many will not possess.

    Two bottles of Dave were recently sold, if one does not buy them for financial reasons, or doesn't make the pilgrimage to Europe, does that make them not a true beer hunter?
  14. AgentZero

    AgentZero Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    Sadly, that one may be extinct. MasterSki might know.
  15. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    I can inquire with Struise too.... Messy if it ever is bottled would immediately be a canidate and go from a D.O.N.G. to a wale. In my opinion of course:)
  16. AgentZero

    AgentZero Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    Messy might, although it might be one of those ticks that kills you ;)
  17. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    Well we are talking about the far far extreme of beer hunting. The average joe would have never heard of any of these beers. If someone is gonna pay 1000$ for a bottle of Dave at an auction vs 700 for a plane ride to Brussels more power to them. Let's not kid ourselves and say that just cause you arn't tickin Millenium Gueuze you aren't a beer hunter. Honestly a lot of my ticks of this list were due to the extreme generosity of others or being at the right place at the right time and the fact that I am very generous with my beer. The list is a bit American centric too. Believe me I like the list and the discourse around it.

    One man's wale is another's man's cellar filler!

    I was sorta joking BTW. I would have gone to Belgium no matter what. As a matter of fact my first 2 trips I did minimal tickin. I went to DeHeren because the place was highly reccomended to me by a good friend. I would have gone even if there was no Blauw Rose and Helena. The place kicks ass for food and there just happen to have an insane Lambic cellar.
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  18. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    It's actually suprisingly drinkable for the ABV. It's doesn't taste a bit over 12 % ABV.
  19. ChrisPro

    ChrisPro Oct 16, 2009 Illinois

    Conceptually I agree with this statement, but in practicality that is not entirely true. Just because a beer exists in a cellar at a bar does not mean you will get to purchase said beer at that bar. It has to be "on sale," you have to be there on the right day and get the right owner/bartender to be in the right mood. There are multiple beers on this list that you could in theory just visit a bar and purchase even if you had the money, but it's not a given.
  20. jedwards

    jedwards Feb 3, 2009 California

    One very important criteria for something being truly sought after is that there's enough of it for people to be aware of it (or that it's existed for a long enough period of time for it to become part of the collective knowledge base). Things like Earthmallet, Kaggen! Stormaktsporter Rauch, and so on don't exist in enough quantity for people to get excited about them to the same degree as something that they could still potentially buy at a bar/trade for/et cetera. Those are the real white whales... with a few exceptions everything on this list is a potentially realistic goal. Which is healthy :D
  21. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    There are 2 beers in particular that do not exist that I am dying to try. Nobody knows about them. Even those that have tried them deny that they exist. I would mention them by name but I would be struck down by the beer gods!
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  22. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    From what I hear at Akurat you can easily try those beers if you are willing to pony up the coin. I can personally speak to the fact that you can tick Blauw, Helena Alexander Millenium ect at De Heren. Not sure about the Rose... I have heard that they are running low from some peeps over there.
  23. ChrisPro

    ChrisPro Oct 16, 2009 Illinois

    When I was there, we had easy access to Loerik and Millenium, but the Reed gueuzes, Soleil and goldackerl were off the table. Granted, I only spent one night there, and I've heard better stories of friends who went multiple days, so like I said, it's variable.
  24. FunkyMacGroovin

    FunkyMacGroovin Sep 22, 2009 California


    I'm willing to bet that for a couple grand you could tick pretty much anything on that list.
  25. MasterSki

    MasterSki Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
    Site Editor Subscriber Beer Trader

    There were supposedly only 3 or 4 750ml bottles. I sampled one at RBWG in 2010, and then stumbled upon in a friend's cellar in Vermont that summer which I ended up lugging back to Chicago to share. A third bottle was in California, but I don't know if it has been consumed - try t0rin0 or jerz. There was a magnum shared at pre-ZBF as well.
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  26. doopiedoopiedoo

    doopiedoopiedoo Oct 2, 2010 Netherlands

    Bunch of sour heads with their whale lists.:D
  27. kscaldef

    kscaldef Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
    Beer Trader

    Reports from DHvL seem mixed. If you just walk in and ask to buy Blauw/Rose they might not sell it to go. We spent a full afternoon there in June drinking nice stuff off the vintage list, and while they did sell me the beers to-go, they had to "go check if we still have any".
  28. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    If normal beers could hold up or improve for a decade or more like lambic then I'm sure this list would be much different.
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  29. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    To go is different than drinking on premise. Of course Joos is going to be careful who he sells to go bottles too. There are lists like this after all:)
  30. gklover1

    gklover1 Oct 18, 2009 Colorado
    Beer Trader

    Biggest oversight on the list...

    Mis-spelling ForgetFu's name (unless, unbeknownst to me, it is both a silent AND invisible "l" at the end)

    EDIT: And he has posted on the thread at least twice without even mentioning it. Solid.

    After perusing this list, I simply feel honored to know a few of the people involved. *chants I AM NOT WORTHY, I AM NOT WORTHY

    And yet, SOOOOOO happy with my inferior cellar!

    Merry Christmas all!!!
  31. AgentZero

    AgentZero Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    My bad, I drink a lot when I'm posting.
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  32. Tnudish

    Tnudish Feb 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    You could buy Dave no more than 2 months ago if you we're willing to pay. All these can be had at a price except for maybe a few.
  33. forgetfu

    forgetfu Jul 27, 2007 Colorado
    Beer Trader

    Hell, i'm too damn orgetful to remember all the letters in my name. Why should anyone else? No worries! Back to drinking.
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  34. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    Everything has a price.
  35. JohnfromPurdue

    JohnfromPurdue Apr 27, 2009 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    I'm still surprised how high you guys ranked Rare BCBS. I'm pretty certain there are quite a few beers ranked below it that wouldn't trade 1:1 with it.
  36. AgentZero

    AgentZero Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    Everyone has opinions, this list is merely an average of that. Some who ranked agreed with you. I doubt anyone in the world agrees with the list in its entirety, although there's some that differentiate significantly more than others.
  37. JohnfromPurdue

    JohnfromPurdue Apr 27, 2009 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    Yeah, I get the whole opinion thing. I'm just making an observation based on the fact that Rare is one of the few from that list that I actually have pretty solid trading experience with.

    And please don't take this as me poo pooing the list. I like any list that will give me a better handle on what to offer for some of these whales that I may be seeking.
  38. ChrisPro

    ChrisPro Oct 16, 2009 Illinois

    Is it possible to maybe highlight the x bottles with the highest variance in ranking? Not sure if it just muddles the rankings, but could give some insight into how subjective these really are. Just a thought
  39. AgentZero

    AgentZero Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    Yeah, going to get around to generating some statistics at some point in the near future.
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  40. ChrisPro

    ChrisPro Oct 16, 2009 Illinois

    Kewl, thanks for crunching the numbers on this one!
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