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Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by AgentZero, Dec 24, 2012.
Everything has a price.
I'm still surprised how high you guys ranked Rare BCBS. I'm pretty certain there are quite a few beers ranked below it that wouldn't trade 1:1 with it.
Everyone has opinions, this list is merely an average of that. Some who ranked agreed with you. I doubt anyone in the world agrees with the list in its entirety, although there's some that differentiate significantly more than others.
Yeah, I get the whole opinion thing. I'm just making an observation based on the fact that Rare is one of the few from that list that I actually have pretty solid trading experience with.
And please don't take this as me poo pooing the list. I like any list that will give me a better handle on what to offer for some of these whales that I may be seeking.
Is it possible to maybe highlight the x bottles with the highest variance in ranking? Not sure if it just muddles the rankings, but could give some insight into how subjective these really are. Just a thought
Yeah, going to get around to generating some statistics at some point in the near future.
Kewl, thanks for crunching the numbers on this one!
Nah, I didn't take it that way, although people are free to poo poo it all they want. It's a fun exercise that only has as much meaning as someone wants to give it.
I personally don't like things like this per se, but I have to admit you guys did a good job. The only thing I get out of the list, however, is the desire to kick myself for trading so many of these away for things not on the list. God I am a terrible trader.
What a fun list and thread; thanks to all involved!
I'm only a year into this hobby and am just finishing grad school (see: lots of loans...), so I expect virtually every beer mentioned to be beyond my reach save for the generosity of others, such as Heatwave/Stephen, who gave me a generous pour of AB Huna, my only tick thus far.
Nonetheless, I love this community, and I find fascinating learning more about and understanding the history and beers which helped lead to today's thriving craft scene. And since trade value truly is a subjective concept, this well-conceived list from BAs with such a vast depth of experience seems to me, for its purposes, to be pretty darn close to perfect.
Again, thanks for the history lessons and learning experience that would have been virtually impossible to come across on my own.
The biggest thing I took away from this list is Cantillon and Drie Fonteinen One-Offs = Whales.
I feel that is something everybody already knew.
I would like to know which beer /beverage /juice company have plans to expand plant scales,anybody knows? very very very very appreciating that!!!
Yeah.......i guess i have drank more bottles of Wooden Hell then Cherry BCS though.
Fuck this town, am i right?
This really was fun to do, even though it was pretty tough to rank that many Whales. It really took a lot of time and a significant effort from all involved. Thanks to Mike and Jim for putting this together! I've had quite a few off this list and they all deserve to be on it. I know when I first joined BA, Jim's original list taught me quite a bit about whales and vintage beers I'd never heard of. Hopefully this will help some new BA's in the same way it helped me.
You're not very good at winning trades obviously.
I found this one to be an interesting addition to the list, "Odonata Beer Company Rorie's Ale".
This was a blast to participate in... even if it took me quite a bit of time to sort all of my ratings out.
No JD Blackbeard?
That was so my initial reaction when I saw the nominated beers...
I have not had any of these but I did take the time to read the thread. Send me some? Or at least one?
It's received a solid, low level buzz lately. Those who have decided to chase it have found it quite hard to locate. I was fortunate to sample some generously shared by dvelich and can say that it's a very good and unique beer.
Nooooo my only whale isn't a whale anymore!... It was nice to be ballin for a few weeks at least.
I only got to try their Saison, which was quite nice. Too bad those guys didn't make it...
summarization of the list:
Interesting list. DO Kate was a mega-disappointment.
i swear half your posts are about how you didn't like double oaked kate
I'm pretty sure that's the second, maybe third, post i've ever mentioned that in.
Fixed it for you. For all the people that complain that Lost Abbey's beers are flat they sure have produced quite a few "walezbro"
Lost Abbey has made quite a few awesome sours. It was as if Tomme looked at the beer, thought to himself "bubbles?", and then said, "ill never brew this rare beauty again!"
On a more serious note...The list should read:
I tried making my rankings:
But apparently my ranks were very different than everyone elses
Should have a Sour White Whale list (aka the one people genuinely care about that are intelligent and such) and then a Whale list (meaning beers people hope to get in hopes of landing a couple from the Sour White Whale list). Of course I am biased to the tart ones, yo.
I think that is pretty much what happened. The top 20 sans Dave is dominated by sours.
Everyone sleeps on the M
But yes, you are generally correct as always!
A very quick count gave me 8 non-sours out of the top 50.
Yup, which is kind of my point, might as well have just two different lists, as Sours so dominate the *zomfg second mortgage time* trades compared to other styles. Trying to *equate* them to sours is so hard because in general people holding those sours are not likely to trade for stouts(et al). Dave (M, Wooden Hell, etc) are clear exceptions but they don't seem to be being replaced by an up and comer on the list anymore whereas Sours are (see Ann, Framboos, etc.). Hell I don't know, I promise I had a point but it got vaporized in my melon.
I think this list caused enough carnage. Do we need two?
No, we don't need even one, I was just pontificating on since the harm is done might as well make it make sense.
I am against any quantification attempts in general because I think it is an exercise in futility, and the cause of much butthurt and broken dreams. That said I understand people's fascination with *lists* and trying to measure their penises. Hell I measured mine once. Twice actually as I was sure the first measurement HAD to be wrong.
I put all the Drie Fonteinen beers first and then all the Cantillon. When I ran out, I used random numbers. Is that not how I was supposed to do it?
Seriously people...these are clearly two of the best breweries in the world. They make beers that age extremely well. Many of these beers are either really old or are only available in one or two bars across an ocean, or both. Did you really think many of their beers wouldn't top the list?
Good point. The list is dominated by sours which is probably the style that ages like no other. There are no ipas on the list. Why? Because you can't collect ipas.
You can collect (some) sours with the expectation that you can hold onto it for as long as you want to and it'll probably still be awesome.