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Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by AgentZero, Dec 24, 2012.
Yeah, that's the one I want to believe.
Yet Eszett "comes in" at #45....is that beer the outlier? A few months old......not many reviews....few have even tasted in......not much noise about this beer other than those from across the pond and those involved in this list.
First batch should be on the White whale list.
Granted, Australia is 10 years behind the US in brewing and NZ is more known for IPA's right now.
I suppose being geographically isolated does hurt here and there. That and 10 BA's who review here do not help either
Why would this be on the White Whales list? Honestly, I've never heard of this beer (or the brewery, for that matter), so I am extremely skeptical that it would be even close to one of the 100-150 most desirable beers, active or retired.
Of course there is going to be a geographic bias to this. Most BAs are in the United States, and the vast majority of very highly-regarded breweries are either in the US or Belgium. Thus, the list is highly geographically focused.
The list is subjective and based on what people actually desire, not what they should desire, or what the best beers are. However, even though we tried to be objective, it's hard to see the appeal of a beer that really has no name and, objectively speaking, doesn't have the sort of reviews -- on this site or others -- that would suggest that it would be as desirable as the beers on the list we're discussing.*
* I know you said the first batch, so maybe the view of that is different, but when the overall level of the beer is fairly low (in comparison, of course), that's going to drag down the entire reputation.
I'll homer it up for the semi-local brewery and say that I'm somewhat surprised Coast Old Nuptial didn't appear anywhere on the list.
It goes on the White Whale list if people want it to be. The is list is based entirely on perception and subjective opinion. I admit to knowing nothing about this beer other than what I can glean from the reviews and ratings (which can't be said to blow me away), but the fact I know nothing about it at all would prevent me from ever ranking it.
Will add it to the list for next year.
The list was inspired by SpeedwayJim's list and created both with his blessing and participation. As far as which one to believe, they are both 100% right.
A question remains is a " Whale " a hard to get brew or a hard to get legendary brew. For example Hair of the Dog Dave is a 95 rated by BA members. Also the second Cantillon Soleil de Minuit is a 94 rated by BA members. To me it seems a " Whale " should be a hard to get, legendary beer not just a hard to find beer. IMO
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A whale is whatever you think a whale is. There's no one definition and everyone has a different opinion...this is just the complied thoughts of several tasting groups who have experience with a lot of these beers over many years.
? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you saying it's not a whale unless it has a BA score of 100? Pretty sure getting a BA score of 100 requires a significant number of reviews, so that will never happen. You'll notice that the average rating of Soleil is rather high - which is really what you should pay attention to in the first place.
Ok just stating my opinion, thats what we do here right? like the guys that did the review...an opinion.
I respect your opinion, I am simply stating my opinion....nothing more.
you aren't really stating an opinion though, you're just sort of saying stuff
I will now exit this conversation since I did say something and now your just trolling me. You can have the last word.
You make my head hurt, bro. I need a beer...
To add to what Sean said, there is no proper and objective definition of a "whale." Truth is, one man's whale may be another man's minnow (props to who said that first, wasn't me). The purpose of making this list was to try to get a collective read on what BAs as a group believe a whale is. A whale is only a whale if you think it is. The list is truly a list of perception, which was then averaged out to try to give a more normalized list of whales. Some are hard to get, some are legendarily good, some are a combination.
Truth is, everyone who participated in making this list said "To me, it seems a 'Whale' should be...", and that was how they made the list. They were given no other instructions BUT a whale is what you think it is and that's how you should do the rankings. If you look over what each person did, you will see a lot of variation.
Again, the list is only as right as you want it to be. Regardless of that, it was a lot of fun, and I think a useful tool for keeping older and legendary beers in the collective mindset and helping newer BAs to find out about "Whales" that they would otherwise never hear about or encounter.
When is a "whale" retired? Once we hunt it to extinction? I imagine I could probably count the number of Soliel de Minuit or Spuyten Duyvil bottles without having to use my toes.
So when is it turned from a "white whale" to a "ghost whale"?
What he is saying is that the Pinot Noir-aged variant of Supplication should be ahead of Dave. And he's clearly right.
How about the PvW '07 BCBS?
Oh, please. I'll take a 6-month-aged Pliney the Older, thank you very much. It's a world-class barleywine.
I agree, great thread!
John Kimmich talks about aging Heady for a year, watch the video that was posted you can learn about peoples opinions vs yours. Suddenly me sitting on a Pliny for six months doesnt seem so crazy
Have a nice day.
Kimmich's point was that Heady Topper held on for the long haul due to the packaging (i.e. can). Unfortunately, Pliny is packaged in a glass bottle with a cap which thus exposes it to all of the wonderfully nasty things that tend to ruin a beer (especially a DIPA) over an extended period of time. This is not an opinion, but rather a factual statement.