The world needs more Dunkel

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  1. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Meyvn (1,033) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    I was curious how BA's feel about Dunkel. I love a well-crafted Dunkel and, despite their dark appearance, they are drinkable year around. I live just north of Atlanta. We don't have a strong German beer heritage around here. So, it's quite difficult to find Dunkel throughout the year. I can think of only one local brewery, Round Trip Brewing, that keeps on pretty much all year. Only a small number of breweries even do one seasonally. How many of you enjoy a good Dunkel and would drink one if you knew it was on tap year around at your local brewery?
     
  2. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Meyvn (1,287) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    I'd try a local Dunkel any old time and go back for more if it were tasty. There are a few!
    Here's a really nice Dunkel Starkbier if you haven't already had it. Cheers!
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  3. jonphisher

    jonphisher Meyvn (1,388) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    I enjoy dunkel quite a bit, hofbrau is probably my favorite. In terms of domestic Von Trapp for us is year round and always available here in NJ, there are few and far between after that at your average store though.

    Seasonally my favorite, and local brewery, makes theirs available every fall usually sept-nov before brewing their schwarzbier for the winter. It is quite well made and I usually consume my fair share.
     
  4. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Korbinian isn't a Dunkel, it's a Doppelbock -- which are great, but when you want a nice, melanoidin bready, smooth Munich Dunkel without being kicked by big ABV, maybe not a Doppel.

    Then again, maybe cut it with some Helles to bring it down? Dunno. I knew a bartender who made a great Märzen clone by cutting Optimator with Spaten Helles, so maybe. :wink:
     
  5. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Meyvn (1,033) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    Oh yeah, very familiar with that world class Doppelbock. There's ANOTHER great beer style hardly anyone does anymore.
     
  6. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Zealot (515) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    Whats that
     
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  7. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Meyvn (1,033) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    That's great you have at least one source, Von Trap, for year around Dunkel. I've never had theirs but have heard good things about it. The problem with a fall release is that it tends to compete with Oktoberfest beers.
     
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  8. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Hofbräu or Ayinger are the best I've found for available imports. There are some better ones, but they haven't been as accessible lately.

    Most Ami-brewed Dunkels I've had rely too much on roasted malts and taste more like Schwarzbier -- and Schwarzbier isn't bad, just not what I want when I want a good Munich Dunkel.
     
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  9. Shrewsbrewfan

    Shrewsbrewfan Initiate (15) Jul 9, 2021 Massachusetts

    I really enjoy them. Von Trapp’s Dunkel is something I frequently have on hand.
     
  10. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Meyvn (1,287) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Oh. I forgot the Korbinian was a Doppelbock! This past winter I really enjoyed Hofbrau Dunkel but was searching more for xmas brews. That's a pretty easily found Dunkel.
     
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  11. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Meyvn (1,033) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    You hit the nail on the head. Dunkel is nice because of its typically lower ABV. A very sessionable dark beer. A well made one is going to drink like a Helles with those melanoidin bready properties to boot.
     
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  12. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    We have a few in the Chicago area that are brewing some very good ones. And HB's Winter Spezial is just about the best thing going for a Winter seasonal.
     
  13. jonphisher

    jonphisher Meyvn (1,388) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    Then I think you would be pleasantly surprised by my local one Tonewood - Dreadnaught. Looking now I haven’t reviewed it actually, incoming in the fall.
     
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  14. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Meyvn (1,033) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    That is no surprise. You've still got that German beer lineage in Chicago. Atlanta had a small one pre-prohibition, but the law pretty much killed it. I'm guessing Dovetail makes an outstanding Dunkel.
     
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  15. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Starkbier, Doppelbock, potato, potahto...

    Though there are lighter colored Starkbier, I guess.
     
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  16. ShutUpLiver

    ShutUpLiver Initiate (168) Nov 29, 2020 Missouri
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    Really enjoy Perennial Black Walnut Dunkel when that gets released around here.
     
  17. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Big bready, toasty smooth and slightly sweet? Yeah, that's what I look for.

    Too bad I'm not in Jersey. :confused:
     
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  18. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Meyvn (1,033) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    Do you get KC Bier Co. Dunkel? I've heard that is fantastic.
     
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  19. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Meyvn (1,287) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    I bought that bottle in Bloomington, Il at Binny's. They had a good selection of German single bottles.
     
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  20. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    To tell the truth, Urban Chestnut is probably my favorite domestic. Dovetail cans (how they package) aren't my favorite -- but their draft beers are great. If I ever see a Dunkel from them on draft I'll definitely give it a try.
     
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  21. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,802) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Dunkel is one of my favorite styles. Unfortunately, they're somewhat rare over here in the US. Of the Munich breweries, I think only Hofbrau sends their dunkel stateside. Beyond them, I see Ayinger's here and there, and occasionally Weltenburger. Warsteiner's is fine, but it's definitely not a Munich/Bavarian style dunkel. That's pretty much it as far as imports go. Locally, Bierstadt's is as good as Munich versions, but those cans aren't always around. Prost's is probably #2. The others all have a roasty note that screams "this isn't Bavarian-style" to me.
     
  22. jonphisher

    jonphisher Meyvn (1,388) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    the best part is they opened a new production brewery this year. All the lagers are noticeably cleaner and they carb with a spunding system now; it has dramatically improved mouthfeel/carb.

    I cannot wait to try their dunkel and schwarzbier with their new toys.

    Never say never…:wink::beers:

    Oh and I know you also appreciate clarity; also improved dramatically since the new facility. I’m beyond excited for fall.
     
  23. ShutUpLiver

    ShutUpLiver Initiate (168) Nov 29, 2020 Missouri
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    I haven't tried it yet, but have been meaning to check out KC Bier Co next time we make the trip.
     
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  24. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    We have a newer, smaller brewery that's making some great lagers (yeah I've raved about them before), but to be honest -- their Dunkel fell short.

    That said, I hope it was a learning lesson and they try it again, because they brewed a Vienna Amber that was about as spot-on as anyone would expect.

    Add to that their Festbier, Pils, Czech Pils and Helles -- and these guys are on their Lager game.

    Oh, and their Doppelbock was to kill for.
     
  25. Providence

    Providence Champion (815) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    The more Dunkels the better. This one is listed as Munich Dunkel here on BA.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/26520/71819/

    The description reads, "Red Tape Lager has a full malty flavor typical of Bavarian dark lagers. It's brewed with 100% Dark Munich Malt. Additions of Glacier hops for bittering and noble German hops for aroma strike a balance between American and European flavors."

    I love it. It's their winter seasonal, which is fine by me (though I would drink it year round). It's a great looking beer. Here's a pic (I didn't take it, just found it on google).

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  26. dcotom

    dcotom Poo-Bah (2,982) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    I have to ask if there's anyone here who can't get Negra Modelo on a moment's notice. BA says it's a Munich Dunkel, and I'm pretty sure the world has plenty of it.
     
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  27. Beersnake1

    Beersnake1 Poo-Bah (3,979) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    This is a great one, although not a dunkel as noted! Just had one a few nights ago!
     
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  28. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    But it really ain't. Thin, acidic, grainy, no big malt character, far from its roots.
     
  29. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Again, not a Dunkel. Great Doppelbock, but not a Munich Dunkel.
     
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  30. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,617) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    A number of small, local craft breweries in my area produce quality Dunkel lagers but only on a rotating basis.

    A few weeks ago I saw that Tired Hands had cans of Trendler Dunkel at the Fermentaria. That it is a well brewed Dunkel with mostly toasted dark bread malty flavors just a very slight hint of roastiness.

    Cheers!
     
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  31. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,802) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I consider it to be in the ballpark. Kinda like how I consider Amber Bock to be in the ballpark of a Vienna lager. Considering how rare dunkels are, it scratches that itch in a pinch.
     
  32. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,617) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I discussed Negra Modelo a month ago in a NBW thread:

    From the brewery’s website (with emphasis in bold by me):

    “Brewed longer to enhance the flavors, this Munich Dunkel-style Lager gives way to a rich flavor and remarkably smooth taste. Modelo Negra contains Water, Barley Malt, Non-malted Cereals and Hops.”

    https://www.modelousa.com/products/negra

    I would be willing to bet that most of the time “non-malted cereals” = corn (but they likely switch to rice when that grain is cheaper).

    Despite the brewery’s marketing spiel of “Munich Dunkel-style Lager” this beer is an adjunct lager. I would personally characterize it as being an AAAL (American Amber Adjuct Lager) akin to a beer like Shiner Bock.

    I will on occasion drink a Modelo Negra while visiting a local Mexican Restaurant (goes well with tacos and burritos) but then again so does a Shiner Bock or Yuengling Lager for that matter.

    Cheers!
     
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  33. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,574) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Really? Not at all for me. It's like a dark Mexican lager to my palate.
     
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  34. dcotom

    dcotom Poo-Bah (2,982) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Yeah, I figured it was kinda like the Dead Guy Ale - Maibock thing. I do agree that the world needs more von Trapp Dunkel, though. :wink:
     
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  35. champ103

    champ103 Poo-Bah (5,518) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    These are the type of "[insert style] Appreciation Thread" we should be having...
     
  36. Runnerhiker

    Runnerhiker Initiate (52) Jun 4, 2019 North Carolina

    If you drive a couple of hours north in to the mountains of North Carolina and are in Brevard, stop by Brevard Brewing. All of their beers are excellent, but the Dunkel is my favorite and is always found in my beer fridge http://www.brevard-brewing.com/
     
  37. Braunmeister_1943

    Braunmeister_1943 Devotee (456) Nov 22, 2020 Pennsylvania
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    I enjoy Dunkel and enjoy them anytime! Dancing Gnome makes a very good Dunkel called “Dunkel “ which I have been able to find! I agree with @jonphisher with von Trapp Dunkel. Really good and I’ve seen it year round!
     
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  38. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Meyvn (1,033) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    Oh I forgot about Weltenburger. We had that around last couple of years. Man that was good. Disappeared off the shelves. Maybe a victim of Hard Seltzer creep. Good call on that one
     
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  39. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Meyvn (1,033) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    Can't go wrong with Jack's Abby.
     
  40. BJC

    BJC Initiate (192) Nov 9, 2002 New Jersey

    Von Trapp $9.99 + NJ sales tax at Wegmans at Woodbridge NJ