Thick Beer

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  1. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    BCBS, Fruet and JW Lees. All thick as hell syrupy beers yet so freaking good.

    I tried to do my own 12% Stout to be thick as hell like these. Big Fail!! Tastes great and thick, just not like these.

    Anybody know secrets??

    I added 3 lbs of oats, did a 158 degree mash thinking that was it. Nope, heard after that I should do a longer boil(I did a 60 minute). Also doing a first running boil to increase Mallard's Effect (Carmelization).

    All Barley Malt and the 3 lbs of oats. Anybody?? Thanks
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

  3. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    O.G. and F.G.?
     
  4. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I used English ale white labs and what I think may be the culprit:high gravity yeast. I did that in a 5 gallon batch too. I also added candi sugar into the fermenter. OG was 1.110 and FG was 1.020.
     
  5. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Sorry I used safale s-04 English dry yeast.
     
  6. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    Yeah that could be it for sure. That's a pretty low FG for such a big beer.
     
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  7. Jtc2811

    Jtc2811 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 California

    If you want a huge body, use.more caramel malt than you think you need. I had an opposite.problem when I first started: even my 6% beers were too heavy to drink many of. I was using multiple pounds of specialty malts at the time. If your mash is close to 30% specialty, especially stuff like cara foam and caramunich, it will end up rich and burly.

    Edit: also aim for the low side of carbonation targets. Less bubbles gives more impression of body
     
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  8. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    In addition to mashing high or using a less attenuative (sp?) yeast, try some carapils or maltodextrin for increased body. Neither will add the sweetness that caramel malt will.
     
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  9. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I don't understand the fact that you brewed a 12.5% beer that does not have enough body. I would not mash a beer with an OG of 1.085 or more over 152 degrees. Adding sugar does not help with body.
     
  10. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Had enough body. Just not what I wanted. Wanted thick. It was only full bodied.

    Doing a stout now at only 8% abv. Used carafoam, 30% specialty and did a boil with the first runnings along with a 90 min boil. Hope all is thick as hell!!! Thanks guys!!
     
  11. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Which one? Bet it wasn't 002...if it was, you have other problems such as a recipe with too much sugar and/or not enough unfermentable material. The only sugar I will use in a stout is treacle...and then, just a little. Cheers

    Pardon me for not reading all your posts...S-04...there's your problem : )
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think overcarbonating (for style) may be the #1 reason people are unhappy about the body of their stouts.
     
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  13. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Good point, bottlers very often use the same amount of priming sugar for everything. (some keggers are also guilty)
     
  14. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I did a very very low carb amount 3oz of prime sugar in 5 gallons.
     
  15. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    What yeast is good for these styles?? Either BW or Stout to be thick??
     
  16. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Well, WLP-002/Wyeast 1968 has never let me down (stout or pale)...like I said earlier, I racked the dry Windsor today and I was also impressed. I think generally, dry yeasts get a bad rap...if they would just come out with a quality dry equivalent for WLP-002/Wyeast 1968 I would never use a liquid yeast again...except for maybe a Saison.

    Look for something with low attenuation whose esther profile you like...cheers
     
  17. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I use dry yeast just when I am trying to get the malt/hops to shine through. US'05 is my go to for IPA's and 04 for English style ales. Liquid i have to admit sometimes has too long a lag for me, makes me nervous.
     
  18. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    When it comes to English yeasts, I think you are really better off at this point with a liquid yeast, although get back to me in a couple of weeks and maybe I'll still be singing the praises of Windsor : ) Cheers
     
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  19. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    To sum up on this thread. Yeast counts, maltodextrins to add and sugar in the fermenter is a no no for thick ass beers??
     
  20. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    pretty much...and don't forget to not overcarbonate.

    ps...If you make a starter, lag time for a liquid yeast is usually less than for a dry.
     
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