Thinking about brewing outside...

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by BedetheVenerable, Jun 4, 2012.

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  1. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    So two Christmases ago (this is how far behind I've fallen) my parents got me an awesome Blichman Top Tier Propane Burner (the floor-standing one, I don't have a Top Tier system) for Christmas, as well as a 10-gallon brewpot. The couple of batches I've done in the last few weeks (about the only brewing I've done in the past year plus) I've done full-boils (for the first time ever) and am loving the results, but I've done them on my kitchen stove. I have a cooler mash tun and this big propane rig, and would like to begin brewing outside (easier, much easier cleanup, easier on our stove, etc). Some basic questions:

    I'm a freak about sanitation, esp. after several infected batches. Isn't there INFINITELY more crap floating around in the air outside? This surely isn't a problem while you're boiling, or for anything pre-boil, but what about the 30-40 minutes the wort chiller's hanging out (I have a submersion chiller, and can't spring for any other type any time soon). That's prime infection time, when the wort's just one big petri dish of sugary soup. How do you guys avoid infection? Do you cover the kettle with the lid or aluminum foil? Do you even worry about it? Or do you generally not use submersion chillers outside? Also, I have the inside connectors (not garden hose connectors) for my wort chiller. Can you buy garden hose connections, and if so, can I hook them up without welding/power tools, or do I have to get a whole new chiller from NB or MW? Are there any things about brewing outside you need to keep in mind after being inside all this time? Thanks so much!
     
  2. mCaudio

    mCaudio Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2010 Connecticut

    I brew outside and never had an issue. You have to remember that you are boiling wort. Anything that gets in there will be killed anyway because of the boiling process. Once you flameout and the boil stops, I would cover it.
     
  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    I mostly brew inside, but when outside, I use an immersion chiller to cool, with a lid. Pre-cooling, there is not much to worry about that a boil won't take care of. I don't like outside brewing because I have major issues with wind off of Lake Superior sapping heat from my kettle and lots of hornets in my yard who seem to be attracted to hot wort.
     
  4. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Outfitting your cooler with hose connectors is a good idea. You should be able to get adaptors/fittings to get you from your copper tubing to hose connectors at Lowes/Home Depot. Definitely cover the pot while cooling.
     
  5. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Use a CFC. Immediately chill the boiling wort to pitching temps and have it go straight into a sanitized carboy. That said you will be pitching a ton of healthy yeast (I assume) so they should outcompete the small amount of bad stuff from outside (and what the sanitizer didn't get :slight_smile:
     
  6. Agold

    Agold Maven (1,287) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Thank you, powdered toast man!
     
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  7. axeman9182

    axeman9182 Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2009 New Jersey

    I brew in my garage, and the lid goes on essentially at flameout (I turn on the chiller for a minute or so, add the flameout hops, then cover and let the hops steep for 15 minutes before I resume chilling). Haven't had any problems yet.
     
  8. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Great info guys! Thanks much! Quick question (kinda dumb, probably). My lid will deft. have a gap on it (to get the chiller hoses/etc through). Do you guys just kinda wrap that up with tin-foil or something?
     
  9. dpjosuns

    dpjosuns Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2009 Illinois

    I brew outside and have used an immersion chiller outside as well. I didn't have an issue- but I also didn't have any trees or anything above my brewpot that will drop stuff in. I think as long as you do your diligence and keep an eye on stuff you'll be good.

    If you really wanted, you could easily use tin-foil if you're worried about crud falling in, but I think if the lid is mostly on, you'll be fine. If you have a garage, it seems easiest just to brew in there (though there may be funky bits floating around the garage too).

    I wouldn't fret too much. As Papazian says "Relax don't worry, have a homebrew."
     
  10. Spider889

    Spider889 Pooh-Bah (1,933) Mar 24, 2010 Ohio
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    There's risk everywhere, all the time as far as sanitation goes. But the things is, especially on a homebrewing scale, you'll never be able to fully skirt those risks. Best you can do is to minimize what you can, control the most important variables, and be confident in your technique. If you're not confident, then yeah, maybe you need to step things up somewhat.

    I have always brewed outside (from day 1) and never have had an infection. Hell, on one of my last brew days a storm showed up with a torrential downpour the minute I hit my flameout hop additions. I left it covered as best I could, but some rain water definitely got in. I tried not to worry and the beer tastes fantastic right now.

    I promise you'll get better, more consistent, and quicker boils with the propane burner. Try it out... I also promise you'll never go back.
     
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  11. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    I brew outside all the time, and I also don't cover it during the chill. Been doing this for almost five years now and my only infection was from before I moved outdoors (other reasons). I do believe this is a big reason why you want to chill quickly, but I have no reason for concern.
     
  12. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    I started out brewing inside, then moved it outside when I went to full boils. I believe the benefit of the full boil is worth it, and any additional risk re: contamination has not shown up as a problem for me so far.

    I do place a lid on the pot after flameout, and keep it loosely covered until I transfer to the primary.
     
  13. jokelahoma

    jokelahoma Savant (1,162) May 9, 2004 Missouri

    Knock on wood, but I've never had an infection, and have brewed outside for more than a decade. As others said, I do put the lid on when I am chilling, but it sits at an angle, because I have a small piece of wood I put across the brew pot to hold the thermometer cable, so it isn't in contact with a scorching hot kettle. I have considered getting some cheesecloth or other mesh to hang off the edge of the lid, just to keep the flies and fruit flies out during chilling, but haven't done that yet and still have no infections to date.
     
  14. isohoppy

    isohoppy Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2012 Arizona

    I always brew outside on the patio. I installed a natural gas line for this. After the whirl pool, I put a lid on the pot. I have a valve on the kettle. The kettle drains into my home made counter-flow chiller. This will reduce your concern about fitting over tubes. Both the valve and CFC can be acquired with little cost. CFC was all Home Depot parts. This set-up has reduced my brew time and helps with sanitation problems. I never liked the siphon method, way to many risks involved. The CFC works quickly and gives me hot water to clean up. If you have a copper immersion coil, you may be able to anneal the copper and make a CFC from the immersion chiller.
     
  15. CASK1

    CASK1 Pundit (951) Jan 7, 2010 Florida

    It wouldn't surprise me if your kitchen has far more microbes that you have outdoors.

    EDIT: Not "yours" in particular, but any kitchen.
     
  16. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Actually, with OUR kitchen and our two feline friends inside, you're likely right :slight_smile:
     
  17. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Yep. That's what I do anyway. I put the chiller in, turn 'er on, and then take some foil and kind of set it so it's covering most areas but has a little space for hot air to escape upward: kind of a simple chimney, if you will. This helps take care of two potential problems: 1) you want heat to be able to escape, and if you cap the kettle too tightly, you're defeating your purpose, and 2) you want to be careful about condensation forming on the foil and dropping back into the wort, because this can contain DMS, especially if you're using pils malt.
     
  18. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    I brew outside, use an immersion chiller and haven't had any issues. I brew next to a linden tree which is always dropping leaves and flowers in the springtime. I fish them out of the kettle at the end of the boil.

    Make a starter. Your yeast starter will be strong and numerous. Wild yeast and bacteria, puny and few.

    I am curious to know, for those who have suffered infections, how many made starters and how many just pitched from package to bucket/carboy.
     
  19. smarks2327

    smarks2327 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2011 Ohio

    I brew outside, use an immersion chiller with no lid, and have never had an issue with infections. I always make a starter with a stir plate.
     
  20. CASK1

    CASK1 Pundit (951) Jan 7, 2010 Florida

    I used to use an immersion chiller with the lid on loosely. The last few batches I've left the lid off and stirred gently with a metal spoon. No infections, and the chill down to pitch temp is MUCH faster. I also always use a stir plate starter.
     
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