Thomas Hardy Ale (2015-)

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  1. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    We currently have two listing for Thomas Hardy Ale for the 2015 and onward vintages, since Interbrau took over the brand.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5062/262497/
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/46312/238356/

    The Thomas Hardy Ale website does not give a brewery at all and if you google this you will find both italian articles that claim it is being brewed at Brew Invest and english articles that claim it is being brewed at Meantime. The bottle label only lists the Thomas Hardy Ale website and Interbrau, making no mention of either Brew Invest or Meantime. Neither Brew Invest nor Meantime's websites make any mention of it. Also, since it's contract brewed and the brand is owned by Interbrau, shouldn't they be listed as the "brewer", as they are on both Untapped and Ratebeer?

    The two listings above definitely seem to be duplicates of each other, I'm just trying to figure out how to best correct this. I already suggested an edit to delete the Meantime listing and consolidate the reviews, but I'm not entirely sure where to go with this anymore. Since the brand is no longer associated with a specific brewer and contract brewed for the brand owner Interbrau, it seems like they should be listed, even though they are not technically a brewer. Not sure how to handle this, suggestions?
     
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  2. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    @Todd can you assist on this, thank you.
     
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  3. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    I think this is a fairly unique case, as Thomas Hardy Ale has pretty much become a brewerless brand that is owned and contract brewed by a large beer conglomerate. Even if we can figure out if it is being brewed at Meantime or Brew Invest, it's not part of their portfolio, it's merely contract brewed there, so they shouldn't really be listed as the brewer by Beer Advocates own standards. Then again, should we really list a beer conglomerate like Interbrau as the brewer? Like I said, both Untapped and Ratebeer do this, but it's a bit of a pickle, to be honest. Interbrau is also the only entity listed on the label.
     
  4. tobelerone

    tobelerone Grand Pooh-Bah (4,220) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    It's a pretty confusing situation and I don't have anything of substance to contribute aside from saying, this reboot or whatever you'd call it is absolutely terrific. Will be grabbing more of these any time I come across them.
     
  5. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Having done a bit more research, most sources actually point towards Meantime being the contract brewer here. The best solution is probably to list Meantime as the brewer and add a note saying "Contract brewed for Interbrau SpA".

    Like I said, this kinda goes against BA standards for how to handle contract brewed beers, but short of creating an entry for Interbrau SpA as a brewer, which would be kinda ridiculous, this seems to be best solution.
     
  6. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I have added Interbrau as the "brewery" and marked that the beer has been brewed at Brew Invest and Meantime as well as moving the entries to the proper brewery.
     
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  7. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Great, thanks a lot. These two should probably be switched over to Interbrau SpA as well then:

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5062/267881/
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5062/330541/

    Also, how did you mark the other entry? I can't seen any mention of Brew Invest or Meantime.
     
  8. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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