Thoughts on filling a full bourbon barrel...

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  1. Coletrain

    Coletrain Aspirant (231) May 1, 2012 Wisconsin

    I came into a 55g Heaven Hill barrel that was used to make BCBS. After licking the last of the previous beer inside of it out, I'm ready to see what I can do with it. I'm assuming the bourbon will be significantly faded, but it's worth a shot.

    I have a 5g setup, but can scale up to 10g pretty easily. Any ideas on if it's worth doing a 5/10g batch in barrel like this? Alternatively I could keep making batches until it's full, but that seems like more work than I actually would do.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I assume youll wanna fill it up to minimize headspace over the aging time.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    1+ to what OddNotion stated; it is my understanding that you need to have the barrel fully occupied to mitigate oxidation.

    Given that the barrel has been 'used up' by the BCBS batch, do you really want to brew 55 gallons on something that may not 'work'?

    Cheers!
     
  4. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Its also my understanding that youll likely want to top it off over the aging period as well.

    Jack - I have not had King Henry but it was aged in the used BCBS Rare barrels and I think people would consider that to be a beer that "worked" in second use barrels.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for that input.

    A couple of years ago I had a long conversation with John Laffler who at that time was the Goose Island Barrel guy. During that conversation he mentioned that the barrels were only ‘good’ for one iteration of beer oaking. This was an ‘issue’ for him since he was having difficulty in obtaining the proper barrels; they solely like to use Heaven Hills Bourbon barrels and they were not readily available at that time (and the costs were drastically rising). If Goose Island could reuse barrels, that would have been a big cost savings (and a less headache) for them.

    Based upon the above conversation with John Laffler, I personally would not reuse one the Goose Island barrels. Of course, these barrels may be OK for others.

    The beauty of homebrewing: brew the beers you like and brew them the way you like!

    Cheers!
     
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  6. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    If you are part of a club, have everyone brew the same recipe and all of ya'll fill the barrel up. Brew another 10 gallons to top it up with over time, and taste it each month and all agree on when it's done.

    You have 2 choices.. Fill it up all the way, or chop it up. :wink:
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Half barrels make excellent planters:

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  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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  9. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    I thought that this was an excellent concept and it's what I'd do with a barrel with access:

     
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  10. Coletrain

    Coletrain Aspirant (231) May 1, 2012 Wisconsin


    I met Mr. Laffler a few months ago, smart guy. Very cool that you were able to speak with him for a long time.

    It seems I'm probably going to be out of luck, and that's probably ok - it did seem like an awful lot of work.

    Cheers everyone!
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    John is both smart and also quite the gentleman. I peppered him with lots of questions; I knew next to nothing about barrel aging and I was curious about the process. John answered every one of my questions at length (he did not dodge a single question). When I ran out of questions we just chatted about things in general. He is a great guy!

    Cheers to John Laffler and best of luck to his new brewery!
     
  12. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    You're only out to luck if you want to fill the barrel. You can cut it up. Somebody smart can probably figure out the volume of beer to barrel surface area comparison in a 55 gallon barrel versus a 5 gallon batch in a plastic fermenter.

    Admittedly, cutting up a nice new (to you) bourbon barrel is a hard thing to do.
     
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