Thoughts on how smoky flavors evolve

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  1. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    This may have been discussed already, but I can't seem to find anything about it. I am wondering how smoky flavors evolve with age. I have had a few stouts recently that are very smoky upfront, and I wonder how that would change over 5 years or so. Any experiences with this?
     
  2. james02

    james02 Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2015 New York

    I had a Midnight Sun Second Hand Smoke not too long ago.. it was clocked at about 8% or so and I had sat on it for maybe two years, for no particular reason really.. from what I remember it was good, smoke was still there.. that was all I really remember cause I never had one before and was looking for it..
     
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  3. dlcarst

    dlcarst Zealot (733) Aug 21, 2015 Missouri
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    In my admittedly limited experience aging smoked beers, the smoke flavor doesn't really evolve at all. It diminishes, rather like coffee or chocolate, although more slowly, and allows the malt flavors to become more prominent. Basically, if the beer is all smoke to you fresh, give it a few years and it should be more balanced. How long you should age depends on how strong the smoke is at first and how much smoke you prefer.
     
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  4. youradhere

    youradhere Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2008 Washington

    Dang, good question man. Not a Smokey fan, but I’ve had friends who have been fans of that Alaskan Smoked Porter and have had some old ones. I remember a more deeply smoke flavor in the body and back end, but the front end it was more of a sweet than smokey aroma and flavor. In other words I remember it being good even though I’m not a rauchbier fan- you should be good with 5 years on it depending on the beer I would imagine.

    Start your own “cellaring program” for smokey beers for science and report your findings in the monthly cellar review my friend!
     
  5. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Most excellent example to mention. The smoke seems to come and go as it evolves over the years.
    I used to have a fairly large collection, now I am down to an 05, 06, 2 08s, a 15 and a 16. 17s are still on the shelves locally.

    I can say, unequivocally, that it's my favourite beer to cellar .
     
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    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Very interesting!
     
  7. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Yeah, I would guess that it diminishes like the coffee notes. Coffee flavors can evolve in a bad way, so I wonder if smoke does something similar or just disappears. A science experiments is definitely needed!
     
  8. Fordcoyote15

    Fordcoyote15 Pooh-Bah (2,368) Nov 19, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I'm a rauchbier fanatic. I'm my limited experience with older rauchbiers and smoked ales the smoke does not drop off like cofree does, it does seem to get more ingrained in the malt flavors though where once you may be able to separate grainy or chocolately malt from smoke in 2 distinct notes, it becomes more of one.
     
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