Threadshitting - A civil discussion…

I personally liked the "girlfriend" thread.

 

I think beer Karma should make a return. That way it at least forces some of the noobs to stick around, and see what others are doing, before jumping in head first, just ISOing what everyone else is, not even knowing what it is. It won't stop insane ISO's, but I really think it would help.

 

I've always thought that threadshitting was useful. I learned a ton about relative trade value when I was a noob from such posts. The only time I think threadshitting is unnecessary is when there is an offer that is probably unlikely to happen, but can at least be conceived as reasonable. I've been trying to stay out of threads recently though due to the white knight response on here.

 

I definitely think it goes both ways. I agree value is subjective, which is why I think all of the threadshitting makes no sense. Just because 100 guys think that a trade is ridiculous doesn't mean that there's not another 5 out there that would pull the trigger. You only need to find one person. Maybe those other 10 guys are dissuaded from trading because of all of the threadshitting. It's not advocacy, and it also causes the market to stagnate.

Some guy that's had Black Note 3 times, but has never had Beat may value 3 bottles of Beat over his last bottle of Black Note. Just because someone else doesn't think Black Note is worth 3 Beats, doesn't mean that opinion needs to be interjected into a public forum. If someone doesn't want to trade their bottle of Black Note, then don't respond to the post. It's easy.

If you have helpful information about bottle counts and availability, I never consider this threadshitting. But hey if it's just a subjective opinion about rarity...keep it to a personal message if someone's trying to be helpful, or just keep it to one's self.

 

After getting in trouble for threadshitting in the thread that spawned this thread my attorney has advised me not to comment on threadshitting or participate in your poll.

 

threadshitters in ISO/FT threads are the same assholes who yell at the TV programs they disagree with.

 

Honestly, I don't buy this stuff about 'benefit the community' from posting unsolicited in peoples ISO's. If people don't know, or want to know - utilize the forum that is specific for Beer Trading General/Help . I really doubt that those that are so concerned about setting up this transparent & helpful feature volunteer each and every one of their own trade specifics so newbies can get a sense of bottle value.

Bumping a thread with your unsolicited comments has a negative effect on each and every other trader. Why should their threads get buried cause you all feel the need to insert your .02?

Also, pretending that inflation & fostering greediness is a new phenomena, and things were all fair and equitable prior to that is a case of "the good-old-days"-itis.

 

It seems that the only people truly worried about so-called "threadshitting" are those who:

A) Already know that their offer is unbalanced straight out of the gate.

B) Are aiming to keep specific information undisclosed so as not to affect the possible outcome of the trade.

I think that in either of these situations, an in-thread response is more than warranted. I think of it as a checks and balances sorta thing. Personally, I've yet to witness any truly slanderous threadshitting in the trading forum.

Threadshitting: Presenting pertinent information to someone who's unwilling and/or afraid to accept it.

 

Hanzo you got your wrist slapped? Lame.
Threadshitting to me is like pornography, i know it when I see it. And I hardly ever see it.
I see a lot of constructive criticism, and a lot of people who don't know how or don't want to take it.
Call it whatever you like, but the bulk of replies to original posts generally serve to clarify or keep the OP honest.

 

I think what happens a lot of times is when a out of whack ISO:FT is posted and instead of people simply giving advice they try to be cute or sarcastic. Though their intent might be to help, their tone stirs up problems. Sarcasm and jokes can be great in BA... but not in the trading forum.

 

I did indeed. I come from forums where unless you personally attack someone you can pretty much do as you please. I'll need some time to adjust here.

 

What you have said is mostly spot on, though I noticed the craze really start right around the 2011 KBS release. It disappeared in seconds and as a result there were some pretty ridiculous trade posts but they reached an all new height with CBS.

I'm in the group that pretty much doesn't use the open trade forum anymore. I'll still look at offers people make on there and try and make offers but in a quick BM or 2 I can tell this is a reasonable person that I'll enjoy trading with or no way in hell, I'm moving on.

I really like your last paragraph, which brings me to the point I made in the DFH Pangea guy's thread. This can't all just be blamed on the influx of new people...on what exactly, I have no idea but the blame isn't entirely theirs. The way I look at it, the argument can also be made that part of the problem was losing posting privileges. When I started to trade I didn't need much direction as a new trader besides packing/shipping tips. I just watched the trade forum for a month or two and got a sense of things before I decided to try out trading. Back then, it was obvious to me from the forums which trades were fair and getting done and which trades just weren't gonna happen...BECAUSE of threadshitting.

As soon as you took out the thread shitting element there were suddenly no bearings for newbies to learn what a fair or not even close offer looked like. So the offers just got more and more ridiculous, I'm guessing because a lot of newbies got their bearings for trading like I did when I 1st came in, except it wasn't a good way to do it anymore because those weren't correct bearings but they didn't know that. So the ridiculous offers kept piling up and the newbies kept rolling in and assuming what they were seeing was how things work.

Now that we have thread shitting back, I firmly believe we could curve those stupid offers and make it a place where incoming newbies can get their bearings again. Otherwise things are gonna get much worse...I know if I had started trading 3 months ago, I probably would've still gotten my bearings through observation before making an offer, yet I would've probably still ended up making one of those stupid offers you see that make you think "what a knucklehead."

So its not exactly the newbies faults that they can't get clear bearings on what is fair, what is generous and what is overreaching to the thousandth degree, to the point some of us think its a joke. You can't blame them for not knowing better when if you think back to when you started, you probably didn't know any better either and also relied on observing the trade forum to learn. Like I said though, its pretty much impossible to learn that way nowadays and I'm not exactly sure who's fault it is if anyones or anythings. All I'm sure about is that watching the trade forums nowadays to try and learn about what makes a good vs bad offer is a bad idea but how else do you suggest that they learn? That's how I learned and I don't know any other way. There isn't some magic book of beer values they can read through to get a good idea of what legit trades look like.

 

Totally, this board is super tame. Car forums, video game forums, hell, even professional forums i'm on offer more attacks than i've seen here. I actually used to belong to a forum where you couldn't post for 3 weeks after joining, the idea WAS to lurk, learn, and have something intelligent to say and know what to expect.

 

Well Tyler Durden maybe we are

 

Super agree with everything and I'll add that it also doesn't help when other veteran members try to prevent the spread of knowledge for the sake of avoiding anything that can be construed as threadshitting.

http://beeradvocate.com/community/t...la-ft-bcs-bramble-and-coffee.7545/#post-87012

 

You seem to be classifying all responses to a trade thread commenting on the validity of an offer as threadshitting which I think is wrong. Almost every single post I see described as threadshitting isn't in my mind. To me for a comment to be threadshitting it has to be a troll post, or off topic, or completely devoid of content. If a post is meant by the poster, is on topic, and brings something to discuss to the table I would argue that it is not threadshitting. If you come to an FT 4 pack of KBS ISO WHALESLOL saying that that is not going to get done a)is your honest opinion b) is on topic c) has content and may spark a discussion as to whether or not you are correct.

I will say that commenting probably helped me learn a lot about relative beer "values" and a lot about etiquette and watching the forums for a few months helped me out a lot.

 

Usually you know when things are about to get "good" in a ISO:FT thread when you see "I don't mean to threadshit, but...". I call that forum foreplay.


Also, does anyone else completely skip the replies that are more than 3 paragraphs in length?