Time for Tastemaking PDX Beer Bars to Stop Supporting Big Beer

Discussion in 'Northwest' started by squaremile, Aug 29, 2016.

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  1. squaremile

    squaremile Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2007 Oregon

    As I've watched the acquisition game unfold, I've been surprised by the willingness of some of the best craft beer bars (and champions) to continue putting on large events for Goose Island, Ballast Point, Firestone Walker, and Elysian, among others. With so many smaller breweries popping up looking for taps and shelf space, why keep doing events for these folks which are essentially macro-owned breweries? Does (insert bottle shop here) really need the extra bit of revenue from (insert brewery) tap takeover? If so, can it be made up by doing a "new breweries in PDX" night, or a tap takeover from all the nanos in town? Or bringing stuff from out of market for a night? What percentage of revenue are those Ballast Point bottles providing with all of their shelf space? Why not just put Bud Light in there too?

    Portland/Oregon beer was made what it was by focusing on what was happening locally, supporting it, and reinvesting in the community, and the best bottle shops and taphouses have always done that. Regardless of how tasty certain beers are from those above, I'd like to see a more definitive stand from these shops that really focuses on what CRAFT beer is, and call those breweries what they really are, and give that space back to the independents.

    Go ahead and throw flame if you need to get it out of your system, but let's at least have this conversation already.
     
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  2. BuckeyeOne

    BuckeyeOne Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 Washington

    While I agree with your underlying sentiment, I don't consider Firestone Walker among the breweries you've listed. I just don't think of Duvel Moortgat in the same category as InBevMillerCoors and Constellation. DM's portfolio is still pretty much craft IMO.
     
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  3. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    As usual, I'll point the finger at us, the beer consumer. We continue to buy these beers. And, even if we don't, we still shop at these stores. If you spend money at shop, the store is taking some of your money, and using it against you, and buying more macrocraft beers. We'll have to become willing to miss out on certain things, and not support those stores.

    On the other hand, I've never understood why a beer store refuses to sell the cheap, mainstream beers. The college kids are gonna buy their cheap beer somewhere, why not from the craft store? The store can then use that money against the large brewers. Put a pallet of Bud Light in the back of the store, why let the mini-mart down the street get that money? Charge a buck more for a cold case than you do a warm one. Take the profits from that pallet and buy some beer from the new brewery. or the one that's struggling to save money for a couple new fermentors.

    Either way, it's on us as consumers.
     
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  4. TheWiltChamberlainofipas

    TheWiltChamberlainofipas Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Oregon

    I blame it on the distributors you have to keep them happy.
     
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  5. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    And that's part of the other side of my coin. Stores want (for example) BCBS because we will stand in line on Black Friday for them. To get that beer, they've gotta carry other beers from that brewery, during the year. Somebody has to be buying them, because the stores keep getting more. If we consumers stopped caring about BCBS, B-Bomb, whatever hype-wagon beer beer ya care to mention, the stores would stop ordering the base beers from the macrocraft brewers, thus opening shelf and tap space for more local/regional brews.
     
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  6. BuckeyeOne

    BuckeyeOne Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 Washington

    "We have met the enemy and he is us."
     
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  7. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon

    Bars and bottle shops (at least most of them) are in the business of selling what their customers want to buy. As @beertunes said, if people stopped buying it, the stores would stop stocking it. Wheterhwe like it or not, we're in the tiny minority of people who know and care about who owns the brewery.

    Need proof that most people don't know or don't care? Look at how busy 10 Barrel's pubs are.
     
  8. SeaAle

    SeaAle Maven (1,381) Jun 24, 2012 Oregon

    It does make me happy seeing Elysian's pumpkin fest still not sold out. It used to sell out within a week back when it was a 3 day event. Now it's been almost a month since tickets went on sale for the 1 day event and tickets are still available. Take that ABI. :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  9. vurt

    vurt Grand Pooh-Bah (4,504) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon
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    The problem is not with the locations which choose to serve what you call "Big Beer." The problem is the people who choose to purchase those products.

    If you go to "(insert bottle shop here)" and see Big Beer on tap...don't buy it. If nobody buys it, then the location won't carry it.

    OR: If you feel so strongly about it, the next time you see Big Beer on tap at "(insert bottle shop here)"...ask the owners to stop serving it. I'd love to hear the response you get.
     
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  10. SeaAle

    SeaAle Maven (1,381) Jun 24, 2012 Oregon

    I have a feeling he's referring to Beermongers recent Goose Island Flyover tap takeover. They sell very little GI beer, but still host their events.
     
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  11. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I think running a beer bar means compromising and picking one's battles (like all businesses), and it's easier to call for absolutes when one doesn't have to keep the business viable. Make your wishes known to the places where you drink, and if you find a place that changes, support the hell out of 'em, but you're fighting against some larger market forces.
     
  12. squaremile

    squaremile Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2007 Oregon

    I hear you. But why not just stock Bud Light too? That would increase the customer base of all of these places. I'd guess it's because that is the antithesis of these shops, but somehow the ones in disguise are still ok?
     
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  13. squaremile

    squaremile Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2007 Oregon

    Also there are multiple tap houses in town that have done events for 10 Barrel, Ballast Point, Goose, FW, etc. Off the top of my head that would be Belmont Station, Beermongers, Tin Bucket, etc. All places I go and care about.
     
  14. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon

    You'd be surprised. When the Station first relocated we did offer all of the big brands, imports like Corona, and retro lagers in several formats. The ones that didn't sell were discontinued, and now the only things they carry are PBR, Rainer, and a couple other things like that in 6pk pint cans.

    The folks in the neighborhood didn't want them because it was cheaper at the Fred Meyer on Hawthorne, and the beer geeks didn't want it for obvious reasons.
     
  15. chikunwing

    chikunwing Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2013 Oregon

    As a retailer, I can tell you, this is something I struggle with. I would love to see the day where a local beer release creates city wide fervor like black friday, but right now BCBS and it's variants continue to draw crowds that other beers just don't. I like to think our bottle selection is pretty good, but the only time we have ever had a line outside for 30 min before we opened, was for Rare. It would just be bad business if we did not continue to do what was necessary to get that beer again.
     
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  16. derftron

    derftron Pooh-Bah (1,663) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon
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    As a consumer, I am extremely happy that most releases to not create 1 hour lines. I think thats what makes Portland special. And the real special releases are usually so limited that the beer is gone before a line can even develop.
     
  17. BuckeyeOne

    BuckeyeOne Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 Washington

    Who are these "shops in disguise"?
     
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  18. BuckeyeOne

    BuckeyeOne Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 Washington

    If you really cared, you'd stop going to these places. Hypocrite.
     
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  19. vurt

    vurt Grand Pooh-Bah (4,504) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon
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    I think squaremile was referring to beers which are "AB-InBev in disguise" (Elysian, Goose Island, etcetera).
     
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  20. chikunwing

    chikunwing Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2013 Oregon

    I think you missed the point. It's not that the line was so big it took an hour, people were just willing to get there 30 min early, to make sure they got it (which does not happen for any other beers that are so widely distributed). I was just trying to illustrate that the demand/buzz for this beer exceeds that of most beers, even the "really special beers" you mentioned. If your goal is to get more people in your shop, you need beer that can draw a crowd, and that one does.
     
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