Tiny to small white particles in homebrew

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  1. jman11691

    jman11691 Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2017 Michigan

    Hello! So i've been homebrewing for about 2 years, and have only bottled so far. My latest batch was a Tropical IPA - this was also my first all-grain. Everything tastes great, but I have white-ish floaties in this one (tasteless, but i can feel them... meh). It has never happened before and just want to know what it is. Hops from dry hopping (first time), adding gelatin while it cold crashed for clarity for 48 hours (first time), yeast and/or natural sediment? Something else? The one thing I regret is not actually getting the hydrometer readings.. perhaps that has somthing to do with it.

    Some Notes:

    • Used 4 total oz of hops in boil --- amarillo, centennial, citra
    • Used Wyeast American Ale - definitly fermented but that yeast bag didnt really expand like it usually does when internal pouch popped
    • Fermented in primary for 8 days, then started secondary (added 2oz hops at that time). On 7th day in secondary, cold crashed in fridge. On 8th day, added gelatin. Let sit one more day (9 days secondary).
    • I did not notice the floaties before bottling
    • Bottled with 2.5oz of corn sugar at 38F
    • Floaties seem somewhat still when I shake the bottle/glass. They seem to float to bottom very slowly, and it's impossible to poor bottle without getting lots in glass.
    Like I said, the beer tastes great! But I can't help wanting it to look good too. I know it could be a homebrewing imperfection, but I'd like to just know the culprit!

    Thank you!
    Joe

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    (Right as it was poured - bottom half of bottle)
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  2. hezagenius

    hezagenius Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2011 Iowa

    Do you pour your whole bottle into the glass?
     
  3. jman11691

    jman11691 Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2017 Michigan

    Hi Hezagenius. Typically, yes. But in the photos I showed.. they are just 5oz. When i did pour in pint glass, same result.
     
  4. hezagenius

    hezagenius Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2011 Iowa

    Generally speaking, when you carbonate in the bottle, you will get sediment so you need to pour slowly and leave the last ounce or so in the bottle.

    It also helps, once carbed, to chill the bottles overnight and not disturb them. This will give the sediment a chance to drop out as the beer gets colder. Any time you agitate the bottle, you will rouse up some of the sediment.
     
  5. hezagenius

    hezagenius Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2011 Iowa

    The sediment you see is the dead/dormant yeast that was used to carbonate the bottle.
     
  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    One of your pics shows some head foam on the beer, but is the beer adequately carbonated? If you bottled the beer at 38 degrees the floaties could be some of the corn sugar that has not been consumed by the yeast because they likely have gone dormant at that temp. Carbonation should be allowed to occur when the bottles are at room temp.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hard to tell from the pics, but it looks like yeast and possibly some break material to me. A couple tips...

    - Make sure attenuation has finished and yeast have dropped reasonably clear before bottling.

    - Be careful to minimize trub pickup when racking. Sacrifice some of the beer at the bottom if necessary.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    This is absolutely true. Which is why I think people who try to "lager" in the bottle are misguided. As soon as you start pouring, you get back some of the stuff you went to great lengths (time) to get rid of. Nobody can pour well enough to avoid some of it. It's just physics.

    Disclaimer: I know someone once recommended bottle lagering in BYO or Zymurgy.
     
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  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    It could be dead yeast or protein trub from your fermenter. Follow @VikeMan's advice above and do not greedily rack every last oz of beer. Adjust the height of your racking cane so it is a good inch or higher from the bottom of your fermenter. As you rack, gradually lower it, observing the tube for yeast pickup. If you start picking up trub, adjust higher.

    It could be the yeast from bottle conditioning. How long have your bottles sat, and are they refrigerated? Yeast will floc out with time, cold temps may speed it up. Depending on the strain, the yeast may floc into dense, compact sediments that will stay put, or not. English yeasts are often really good floccers whereas the California ale yeast strain is not so grear.

    Control the sediment when you pour. Tilt the glass gently toward your glass, as it pours, observe what the sediments are doing. If they are mobile, you'll want to shorten your pour, leaving the last oz or so in the bottle. Yeah, no one likes leaving beer behind, so you'll have to decided whether you like yeast seds in your beer even less.
     
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  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I used to lager in the bottle before I had a kegging set-up. I recommend it to any bottler who wants to lager but doesn't want to invest in kegging equipment. You can get pretty good at avoiding the yeast. Not perfect, but adequate. Maybe these beers never win a homebrew comp because there is an easily recognized flaw, especially if judges and stewards are not careful about pouring. However, this does not have to diminish one's personal enjoyment of the style. I love a crystal clear beer that tastes great, but I love it only maginally more than a beer with floaters that tastes great.
     
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  11. jman11691

    jman11691 Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2017 Michigan

    Yeah i thought about that.. good point. But it seems fairly carbonated and tastes ok when it comes to that. I used an online bottle carb calculator that made me add less corn sugar at 38F -- maybe i shouldve taken beer out of fridge to warm up first (after cold crash) - probly wouldnt hurt. I stored bottles at room temp for 18 days after that. Then refridgerated.
     
  12. jman11691

    jman11691 Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2017 Michigan

    Thanks for the great tips! Ill do a little more research on yeast strain next time. I let the bottles sit at room temp for about 18 days, then i refridgerated. Theyve been in fridge for a couple days now. The sediment seems to drop but it gets agitated much easier(maybe there is more) than bottles from past.
     
  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    It's probably not too late to take some bottles out of the fridge for 7-10 days, then re-chill and see if the carbonation is better. The floaties may drop out of suspension in the meantime too.

    EDIT: your post above was written while I was composing my above response. Now I'm confused whether you added priming sugar at that 38 degree temp.
     
  14. jman11691

    jman11691 Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2017 Michigan

    This seems simple enough, but I did indeed get a little greedy in bottling these ones. That said, i felt as if i usually get down towards bottom with avoiding 90% of trub. This time wasnt different. Maybe the yeast strain or the fact that its only been in fridge for a couple days ... bottles were room temp for weeks before that.
     
  15. jman11691

    jman11691 Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2017 Michigan

    Ill definitly take some out and try it - will check back to let ya know. Thanks!
     
  16. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    what temp did you heat the gelatin too.
     
  17. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Just saw this and it made me think of this thread. How long before this becomes a trend and we start getting questions about how to increase floaters in the glass?
     
  18. jman11691

    jman11691 Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2017 Michigan

    I did add the priming sugar at 38F - since it had been cold crashing in fridge. I took some bottles out 4 days ago, and will chill again to see if there is a difference.
     
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  19. jman11691

    jman11691 Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2017 Michigan

    Hi there. I followed these exact steps in this video ---

    • Add 1 tsp of gelatin finings to cool water
    • Let sit for approx 30 minutes
    • Heat in short bursts, until water appears clear
    • Temp ends up being around 125F --- this was added to very cold beer (about 24 hours after cold crash began)
     
  20. jman11691

    jman11691 Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2017 Michigan

    Haha very interesting! Thanks for sharing. That looks like hot and sour soup - but i respect it.
     
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