Tired Hands (May 2017)

I've enjoyed the Porter and Stouts that I've had from Tired Hands much more than any of the hoppy beer. But when like 2/3 of the beers they brew are IPAs, that's what people react to.

 

All local craft breweries cater to the beer trading market. There is no way around the trading scene. Lower limits on beers create more scarcity which create higher trade values. Higher limits encourage less in-the-flesh people getting the beer and also a shorter time to sell-out which then creates the myth of scarcity which also drives value up.

The other side of demand is supply. As long as these local breweries stay local and small (and let's be honest, those are parts of the appeal), they will never have the supply to meet the overall demand and they will always be sought after. Obviously quality is the x-factor here. I don't know how to quantify quality in this case, but it definitely plays a not insignificant role in the overall demand of a particular brewery.

I have not seen anyone offer a reasonable alternative to the current system. Maybe people would prefer that beers only be consumed on the premises, and then no one would have to worry about trading or a secondary market.

I don't know the answer, but I know the question is loaded as hell.

Thanks,
Brian

 

No, customers are what drive these policies in the first place. If people didn't line up for Sole and Levante, they would lower prices and/or encourage less #DreamBeer behavior. It's pretty simple.

 

Do you really think that?

Just to keep the discussion within the context of Southeastern PA. Do you think that Iron Hill caters to the trading market?

Or how about Sly Fox, do they cater to the trading market?

Or there is Mckenzies', do they cater to the trading market?

How about....

Cheers!

 

If a brewery is large enough to distribute, then distribute.

If they aren't, but still want to sell packaged beer to their loyal regulars, then just release the beer unannounced.

That, or make people realize that "scarce" does not necessarily coincide with "quality".....

 

I think part of the problem is newer craft beer drinkers who assume these practices are normal. That and confirmation bias (like what has been proven in wine tasting pyschological experiments), seems to be the only explanation as to why people want to spend their free time standing in line for average quality beer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sho...-better-if-they-are-told-it-is-expensive.html

 

Sure -- ignorance, confirmation bias, wanting to try anything with a new label -- there are plenty of ways to explain why people line up for beer en masse. However, the most important part is that they do, thereby they're the driving force behind the trends associated with Tired Hands.

Those trends aren't simply borne out of Jean's #DreamBoardroom and forced onto consumers as others in this thread have suggested. If consumers stopped lining up (no matter why they do), breweries like Tired Hands, Levante, and Sole would have no leverage whatsoever to practice those policies.

 

I agree with you there.

But when anyone on BA presents an argument to other drinkers about why they shouldn't be standing in line, falling for scarcity marketing, paying higher prices, etc. they are just labeled a "hater".

 

Yeah, I know what you mean and I'm definitely not telling others what they should and shouldn't do with their money (I line up occasionally); I was only addressing how absurd it is to blame the brewery for selling beer at x price in y fashion.

 

I did the CSA last year, and they gave us a Growler every week, and every week was a different beer, no Milk Shakes, but they were different each week. Good Luck and Cheers!

 

Unfortunately idiots can say whatever ignorant shit they want on the internet. It took me a while to really realize this, but just because somebody says you're a hater or shits on your opinions with canned insults (butthurt), it doesn't mean that's the consensus. All you can do is say what you have to say and let people's ignorance show in their own words.

 

Yeah I understand this, it's no skin off my back.

When in comes to these Tired Hands threads (still not sure why a new monthly thread is needed), most critical opinions of the brewery itself or the scene are rebuffed as "hate". Which implies some blind reaction, but in my opinion there is plenty of legitimate criticism.

To me that's fair game, because consumers can typically only wield their power to change business practices if they are unified.

 

I have not done a careful accounting of posts but it seems like discussion of weekly releases (e.g., which brands will be released, how many allotments, how long is the line right now, if I get there at x o'clock what are my chances,...) is one reason for these monthly threads.

Needless to say but folks posting non-love of Tired Hands/Jean are not exactly appreciated in these threads.

Cheers!

 

why is it non appreciated? Aren't people to express their opinion without being shunned or labeled a "hater"?

Not everything in all communities whether it is beer,food,popular culture is all love.

 

It might have something to do with the fact that month after month (even though some wonder why monthly threads are needed at all) people come into these threads and speak negatively towards the brewery and/or their business practices. We get it. Tired Hands encourages lines, trading, and high prices. Seeing these posts within every new thread may seem unnecessary to those who actually frequent the brewery and want to discuss the most current releases and what is on tap.

Of course it's fine to speak negatively about Tired Hands... maybe one week they released a beer you don't like... maybe you had a bad experience at the Brew Cafe or the Ferm. But each month I see the same people complaining about prices, lines, hype, trading, etc. Good grief. Some of those complaining don't even drink their beer.

 

So i assume you are then forced to read this thread and peoples posts?

 

What?

To answer your question, as odd as it is... no. No one is forcing me to read this thread and peoples posts. I read these threads because I occasionally visit Tired Hands and I drink their beer from time to time. I continually come across posts like the ones I mentioned above, no matter what month it is.

Prior to reading those posts, I don't know what the content of the post is. After reading it, I do... and no one forced me to read it. I read the post because... it's in the Tired Hands thread.

Does that answer your question?

 

I think we just need to figure out who is forcing the people who don't enjoy or drink tired hands to come into these threads and make them stop punishing these poor souls

 

Unclear on my part. What I meant to say was that breweries who do not distribute and do brewery only releases. Apologize for bad wording.

Cheers,
Brian