Tired Hands

To this point, that's my absolute favorite beer they've brewed. I truly hope that makes future appearances, and with regularity.

I'm also looking forward to other single hop varieties.



At any rate, taste is subjective. I personally don't find $20 to be at all too much for a growler. Yeah, $5 for glass on top and it starts to add up, but even then it works out to $6.25 a pint...and I don't know about anyone else, but that's a price/volume I'm quite fine with, given the price of beer in this neck of the woods...especially for the quality. I think most folks don't understand that while PA gets outstanding distribution, it's not a place that's home to a ton of indigenous, well-made craft beer. There's some. At any rate, as of right now, Tired Hands is making some of the best beer this area's seen, and it's shown by the following it's gathering, local and otherwise. I wish them continued success.

 

i am definitely a homer of sorts. i certainly don't love everything that comes out locally, but when a good beer appears locally i get excited about it and i do enjoy many of the beers coming out of port jeff...but my favorite local at the moment is greenport harbor. much like you, cavedave, i am a fan of beer and do enjoy most beers, no matter where they come from, added bonus when they are local and you can get growler fills on the cheap. taking a quick browse through your reviews and sorting on rDev more than 75% of your reviews are higher than popular opinion which is way more than my admittedly inflated ratings (i rate to 4 = "that's good"). and as for homers...we can talk about your reviews of keegan and other lower hudson valley breweries if you want. super kitty a 4.85, really??? the third best beer you've tried??? people who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. by the way, didn't see any reviews of anything port jeff from you.

you should really lighten up a bit...i have an opinion different than yours, do you really care that much? but then again last time i checked, my review of mysetery mood at 4.13 is a pretty good score (just 0.03 lower than the average score) and hardly picking anything apart. in fact, looks like everyone has an opinion different from yours as your score for mystery mood is a good .20 higher than anyone else's. whereas my review actually sits square in the middle of all the ratings...why not go after everyone who doesn't think that this is the most perfect saison of all time or did you miss the hilarity that ensued when brendan afksports gave ann a less than perfect score recently and the pitch forks came out. as for undertow, the other beer i tried from this brewery, i gave it its second highest rating...so clearly my thoughts about this brewery are in line if not more inflated than those who review.

as i mentioned in previous posts, if this was local and i could enjoy pints at a few bucks, i'd dig this way more, but having to drop about $35 for a growler is a bit disappointing (just as disappointing as the flavor to cost ratio on something like Super Kitty). i look forward to trying more from this brewery in the future and i hope that they grow enough that they can make it out to my distro so i can enjoy their beer at a reasonable price. as someone who has been fortunate enough to try two beers from them, i think it is pretty valid to share my thoughts before people start trading "whalez, bro" for growlers of this stuff since that what i'm starting to see in the FT forum - people looking for T25, BA HiFi, KH, CBS, Darkness, "rarities", etc for these growlers. wasn't trying to slow down the hype train...$35 and/or the crazy trade requests for 3.83 or 4.16 rated beer seems unjustified to me...that's what i'm saying. let's hope that these guys grow so that more people can try them and formulate their own opinions.

 

FYI, for my NY friends who are bickering, it's Mysterious Mood.

 

I, for one, am not rooting for Tired Hands to explode to the point where they are distributing to every location where there is a beer drinker who would thirst for their awesomeness (i.e., everywhere). Their entire business plan seems to be built on being LOCAL... hiring local people, brewing a good number of sessionable beers that people from the neighborhood can drink and later drive safely, brewing with ingredients from nearby the brewery, etc. If they were to try to satisfy the demands of everyone who said they *should* distribute widely so the consumer could have unlimited access to their beer at reasonable prices, I am sure they would lose exactly that which makes them awesome.

Am I the only one who is at peace with the fact that there is an amazing beer out there, somewhere, that I have not had--and will likely never have?

 

this is what leads people to use how much it costs to TRADE for a growler of a certain beer as a point of criticism. does this mean that it would be an 4.4 instead of a 4 if the sample was a $4 taster instead of a $25 growler + shipping?

i doubt the brewers took that into consideration for the .05% of people who mail growlers of beer all around the country to each other.

 

This an an excellent comment. As I read Evan's opinion of things, I wonder how different his opinion of the beer may have been, had it not come at such a significant expense to acquire. The cost of trading is known to all of us that do it. I figure that most people with a long and storied trading background would be those that gave the LEAST bit of thought into cost of growler, shipping, and the like. I mean...to me, that's just part of doing "business." It's the cost to play the game. Trading for something is always going to cost you more than it would getting it from the source, but it doesn't (shouldn't) impact what you think of the beer. I find, however, that there are very few people that can make an assessment without taking cost into consideration.

 

perhaps it is the lack of inflection from posting on a message board, but if this is not a toss of a stone, i don't know what is...

whoa, there goes another non-stone .

funny how you state my "record of homerism" when just last week here's what i had to say about the LI beer scene in general - http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/long-island-craft-boom.34110/#post-435643 - hardly seems like the words of a "Homer Deluxe"? i tried to find some bad words you said about your locals but all i found were words of praise followed by FT threads.

i hope you don't feel like i'm picking on you by pointing out facts, but i guess with your track record of homerism and hyping that leads into FT posts you'd probably do anything to shine the light away from your habits. if i was you, i'd probably also try to spin someone's questioning of what's going on in the trade forums with Tired Hands into some weird diversion about them being a homer to discredit what they have to say...but don't take it personally it's just beer anyway. not everyone is going to have the same taste buds and from the reviews looks like you are clearly the biggest fan of the beer so far and in general rate beers higher than everyone else (just like me).

 

well put comment. i agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. my scores for the beer have nothing to do with the price of admission. as i stated, i don't know the last time that a 4.13 was considered a bad score...in fact, it is currently the average for the beer...and the other one i tried, i rated above the average.

however, when i see the trade forums seeking crazy beer for tired hands and then a thread like this pop up, it almost seems like a deliberate attempt to boost value. at least this is happening in the regional forum and not in the general help trading section. that being said, seemed like an appropriate place to say "yeah, they are very good beers, but i don't know if i'd give up T25, BA HiFi, KH, CBS, Darkness, "rarities", etc for these growlers" - ie. what's being asked for.

cost is definitely part of doing business, but sometimes it is healthy to hear someone give an honest opinion and say, i wouldn't give up anything crazy for this beer. i always appreciate it when someone points that out and then it is up to me if i want to pay the cost or not.

 

See...to me...there shouldn't be any "boosting of value." Their draft shit should trade $4$ for off the shelf stuff...and i'm not talking KH here. Until such time as they start brewing stuff that kicks in a day...or when they start putting the good stuff in bottles (very soon), I don't see the need for anyone to give up a ton for it. I've never posted an FT thread with Tired Hands. To this point, I've only traded it to past trading partners I've thought would enjoy it. I have several that ask me to send them growlers nearly every time they put something new on the taps. So...there are at least a few that are pretty enamored with the stuff.

As for the beers you listed, I wouldn't trade any of those for what Tired Hands has had on tap, but only because you're talking about annual releases or one offs for whatever's on tap at the moment.

To give an idea... thus far I traded 2 growlers for 3 Captain Lawrence Golden Delicious's and a 6 pack of Captain Lawrence pumpkin...and two growlers for Cigar City's Barrel Aged Church on a Hill, regular Church on a Hill, and Cucumber Saison. My trading partner in Florida is a good guy, and we routinely throw nice stuff at one another, so his generosity isn't entirely indicative of what TH stuff should be pulling down.

In the end, what people ask for Tired Hands growlers is immaterial, insofar that if it's worth it to someone, they'll do it. If it's not, they won't...and the poster of the ISO won't get any play. It's sort of like eBay. You can cry the asking price is too high, but if there are people out there paying it...who's to say that's not the price/value?

 

apparently neither of us. i'm not looking to trade anything (and if i was, i certainly wouldn't be looking for anything beyond $4$ locals), just like you i was merely mentioning a brewery that i'm impressed with (and being 2+ hours away from me, greenport harbor is hardly local - capt lawrence and your locals are easier to get to for me, in fact tired hands probably isn't much further). i just mentioned greenport harbor since you called me a "homer deluxe" when i disagreed with your opinions and greenport harbor is my favorite homer brewery at the moment, not port jeff as you felt the need to call out for some odd reason...but again i divert to my post about the LI beer seen and why the majority won't survive.

i was just coming in here to say that i wouldn't give up T25 or KH or any of the number of beers that people are asking for tired hands. you jumped down my throat because i came in to say that and apparently i have a different opinion than you and can't recognize TH's genius. perhaps you aren't looking for trades, but you have a history of hyping and then trading...but again, don't take it personally, just the facts . for a supposed anti-hype/anti-ebay fighter you sure send some mixed signals.

all along i said i liked Tired Hands and my reviews reflect that, i was simply pointing to the hype train that is leaving the station and offering a counter opinion to hopefully give an altering opinion to those thinking about trading their best beers for a taste (they are still free to trade what they want and whoever has access can ask for whatever they want). there are many times i wish someone would've spoken up at told me that they didn't love a beer that was being hyped. i could care less on who receives accolades and who does not, but when people start threads shouting from the rooftops about how amazing a beer is, it is healthy to get all opinions on the table, especially when something is getting lots of attention on the trade forums. i think we can all agree that the current state of trading and valuing of beer is silly and threads like this just add fuel to the fire...i find it ironic that you have a problem with me suggesting that trading "whalez, bro" might not be justified for the new kid on the block that the locals are loving.

you tossed some stones at me, i tossed some stones back. no one is right, no one is wrong...this is just the interwebs and you created a fanboy thread and i chimed in. get over it. i have a right to my opinion just like you do...and again, i do like what tired hands is doing...i'm just offering some perspective since apparently those with access to tired hands are seeking some big beers. i have tried 2 beers from tired hands already so clearly i have a hook up for tired hands so i have no ulterior motives. if you take issue with people disagreeing with you then you need to find a different website to hang out at. it doesn't matter how many beers you've had or reviewed or how long you've been doing this or that...we all have a right to our own opinions and to voice our thoughts...you voiced yours, i voiced mine. move on. if you want to have healthy discussions i'm in, but if you sling mud take a look in the mirror first because there is some low hanging fruit in your posting/reviewing history.

 

As pointless as this argument is, it does have me thirsty for some Tired Hands, so thanks for that! Will stop by this weekend.

 

That's enough outta you two. Zip it.

 

Went again last night and just have to say that Jean knows how to brew (and ferment, and condition and serve...) an American saison. Holy fudge.

 

Ann

/cosmicevan

 

Any guy with Jerry certainly wins the discussion.

I am not sure where I have noticed people asking for an arm and leg for TH stuff. Wait until the bottles start coming out to start that discussion and especially bottle runs that might be limited for the Believers Club only. I have happily traded these in what I hope were viewed as reasonable trades. Happy to hook anyone up as the place is close to me. You can't blame the brewery for following the rule of not filling another's growler. No easy way around that.

I am looking forward to the stout which will be only available in bottles. Jean certainly has the chops on the saison style. If his stouts turn out to be good, then I think TH shows a lot of promise across multiple styles. Their hoppy stuff has been pretty good. The Delicado got good reviews so I think this is a place that will develop a strong following.

 

I think there is an easy way around it. You take a blank sticker slap it on "another's growler" and write down what beer is going to be filled into the growler. To my knowledge that is perfectly legal.