Too sweet but fully attenuated

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  1. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    My last few homebrews lately have come out very attenuated (77-82%) and lower FG (1.010-1.012). But they are too sweet. My OG/IBU ratios have been 0.5-0.7. Should I really just use more hops or is there something I'm missing (I'm not at all a hop head).
    Thanks
     
  2. SDDanC

    SDDanC Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2011 California

    need recipes, styles brewed, process, yeast strains, etc etc
     
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  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Cut back on crystal malt.
     
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  4. Paramecium

    Paramecium Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2010 California

    I agree. Without knowing more about the beer it's hard to say what the issue could be.
     
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  5. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Run! It's the police!
     
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  6. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Without more detail, it's a shot in the dark, but increased bitterness will offset the sweetness.
     
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  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Nah, don't get your undies in a bundle. He didn't give us much to go on, so I suggested one way to reduce sweetness. I don't hate the stuff, but do tend to keep it at half a pound or less for ~75% of my 5 gallon batches.
     
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  8. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    All in fun. It's a safe assumption. Unless I'm doing a dark beer (I like my stouts on the sweeter, fuller side), I don't use more than a few ounces, if any. One of the first beer-changing lessons I learned was that just because most extract kits come with some sort of Crystal doesn't mean that all beers should have Crystal.
     
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  9. Seacoastbrewer

    Seacoastbrewer Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2012 New Hampshire

    I would also be wary of using the BU:GU ratio to explain flavor. It's another tool in the toolbox for sure, but doesn't account for differences in tastes from different malt and hops. Your flavor experience may be different for two different beers that have the same BU:GU ratio.
     
  10. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    Saying it's well attenuated and has a low FG are excellent hard facts. However, "too sweet" is contextual, and at a minimum you would need to share what you used for your recipe and what style of beer you are making before you can get any decent advice about making adjustments.
     
  11. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I agree, post recipe and process details.

    My own process tends to sometimes make beers with less attenuation, and about the same or even a smidge higher FG, and yet I may perceive them as dry or somewhat dry. Of course this is meaningless too without posting a lot more details. What I perceive as dry you might not.

    And even tho you got pulled over by the crystal police :rolling_eyes:, it could well be that you're using too much crystal. Can't tell without details.
     
  12. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    And the crystal meth.
     
  13. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Gives a new meaning to tweaking the recipe... :rolling_eyes::rolling_eyes:
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Unless you are trying to attract the attentions of the real crystal police.
     
  15. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Ok thanks so far guys.
    Here's some details of my 3 batches:

    Scottish Wee Heavy (I KNOW I didn't have enough IBUs here)
    OG 1.080
    FG 1.016 (78% attn)
    IBU 23
    Partial mash @ 148
    46% DME
    19% pale ale malt
    19% Maris otter
    5 % crystal 60
    4% brown sugar
    3% torrified wheat
    2% aromatic
    1% chocolate malt
    East kent at 60 and 20 for 23 IBU
    Yeast wyeast 1084 Irish ale
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    For the following 2 batches (ESB and Porter) I mashed the base grains and similar specialty grains together and then split the wort evenly for 2 seperate boils, added water from steeped specialty grains to their respective batch)
    ESB
    OG 1.051
    FG 1.010 (80% attn)
    IBU 31
    Mashed at 152
    68% 2 row
    12% Munich
    4.5% DME
    4.5% OF EACH -
    Flaked barley
    Crystal 60
    Victory
    2% roasted barley
    Nugget @ 50
    EKG @ 25
    Williamette @ 10
    Yeast WLP005 British
    ---------------------------------

    "Porter" (sister batch of ESB)
    OG 1.054
    FG 1.010 (81% attn)
    IBU 38
    Mashed at 152
    61% 2 row
    10.5% Munich
    6% crystal 120
    5% chocolate malt
    4% DME
    4% Flaked barley
    4% victory
    3% caramunich
    2% roasted barley
    Perle @ 60, Saaz @ 25 and 5, for 38 IBU
    Yeast WLP001 California ale


    Any general critiques of these recipes are welcome but I'm ultimately trying to figure out why they're so darned sweet.
    Thanks!
     
  16. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    The ESB and Porter are most likely too sweet from the Munich and Crystal. FWIW, I don't use any crystal in my ESBs.

    Your Wee Heavy is supposed to be sweet.
     
  17. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Victory deserves a proper mashing. I don't think your crystal malts are necessarily out of line, but the time of malt extract is also worth knowing. Many malt extracts already include crystal malt. Still, nothing leaped out from your recipes as alarming.
     
  18. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Are your hops old by chance? How were they stored?
     
  19. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    What is your fermenting temp like? Do you have good consistent control over it? If it gets too high the yeast can throw off more esters which can be fruity and add a perceived sweetness
     
  20. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Not that I think you're way off with those recipes, nor am I a member of the crystal police, but you CAN make fine beer using NO crystal malt. I really think you should try something like a smash (single malt, single hop), or use one type of extract plus one type of base malt for your mini-mash, and one type of hop. You will be surprised how good your beer can be with incredibly simple recipes.

    You could mash a few pounds of golden promise, maris otter, munich, vienna, or even straight 2-row. Then use one type of extract (liquid or dry, light, amber, or dark, but Id suggest trying this with light or extra light). OG about 1.060. Use a clean yeast like US-05.

    Give it a good hopping, but don't blast it straight to hell with so many hops that you break the handle off your shovel. :rolling_eyes: Perhaps a nice balanced pale ale with about 40 IBUs and a fairly generous late addition (3 oz, an ounce at 10, 5, 0)*, with a 60 minute bittering addition to bring it up to 40 IBUs. Don't dry hop it the first time around, you want to see what the basics bring to the table without complications.

    The simplicity of a beer does not equate to its appeal. Some of my simplest beers have been my best, and inevitably as the recipe gets busier, they're not as good.

    *for average AA / average hop-flavor hops. Citra pack a hefty flavor punch, so for a balanced pale ale, you might just use two ounces late. OTOH, willamette**, fuggles, serebrianka, tettnanger etc are fairly weak, with more subtle flavors. Those hops you should use more, perhaps 5 oz in the last ten minutes, with a higher AA hop at 60 to bring the bitterness up to where you want it. Cascade is a perfect single-hop beer hop, is perfectly average, and is my favorite hop, so that's something to consider too. :grinning:

    **remember my rule for willamette, whatever you thought you'd need, double it, then add two more ounces at flameout :sunglasses:
     
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