Tower needs to be colder

Discussion in 'Home Bar' started by MADhombrewer, Sep 10, 2013.

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  1. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    I just figured out today, somehow, that I need to get my two tap tower colder. I have always had that too much foam issue and never really knew what the issue was. I googled the problem to find some solutions and only found this: http://www.draft-beer-made-easy.com/towercooling.html.
    This may be what I end up doing but I would like to find easier directions or a site that sells something like this.

    What did you do to solve this problem? Can anyone turn me on to a YouTube channel or a website that can help?

    Thank you for any help.
     
  2. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

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  3. WagonCircler

    WagonCircler Zealot (623) May 15, 2011 New York

    I use a small desk fan.

    I place it on top of the keg and point it at the tower.

    Also - I insulated my tower with foam.
     
  4. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    I absolutly thought of this and figured I was being my cheap a$$ self. Awesome!
     
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    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

  6. zero_signal

    zero_signal Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2013 New Jersey

    Purpose of the tower cooler is to carry the cold air to the top of the tower and let it return within the tower. You need as much return flow as you send the air in with or it's not going to work properly. I can't see a fan carrying air to top of tower and its also interrupting return air.
     
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  7. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    ^^^^^^^ what he said. Won't work.
     
  8. WagonCircler

    WagonCircler Zealot (623) May 15, 2011 New York

    Mine works fine. Noticeable improvement. It's a high velocity mini stainless steel fan. I've had it for years.
     
  9. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Big difference between improvement and solving the problem. Any time you go after making something work like the best product available (commercial unit with tower cooler in this case) you should consider how they accomplish the task. With coolers, they plumb the cold air directly to the shanks. Not a single manufacturer tries to blow air up the tower without a tube. You are cooling the line up to where it enters the tower, but not actually into the tower because your set up doesn't allow for return air. Without return air, no fresh cool air will enter the tower. This may be perfect for what you are willing to invest in time and you may be happy with the results, nobody can call that except you.
    To the OP - the goal is to maintain the exact same temperature of the beer from keg to faucet, any temperature changes cause foaming.
     
  10. WagonCircler

    WagonCircler Zealot (623) May 15, 2011 New York

    Very true
     
  11. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Hey, it's your money.
     
  12. schteve

    schteve Pundit (884) Sep 10, 2003 New Jersey

    I made the one in your link. I don't consider myself particularly handy, especially with this kind of stuff, but it was easy and I did it with <$20 in parts. Took me a couple hours and works like a champ.
     
  13. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    I am with you as far as the DIY stuff. Thanks for the responce.
     
  14. drew7777

    drew7777 Crusader (406) May 10, 2009 Virginia

    I just built one of these and planned on using 1" tubing. However, my tower has two taps and beer lines, meaning that a 1" tube will not allow for any return air. I opted for 1/2" ID tubing but the air is barely blowing through the tube. I'm using a 80mm computer fan and actually feel some air (not all) blowing the out around in front of the fan. I have a feeling it's just the resistance of taking in 3" of air and trying to push it out 1/2". I've got room in the same box that's holding the fan and tube to add a second fan, anyone think that will help or just continue to have the same problem?

    Or any other thoughts that will let me get adequate air in and out of my tower given the tight space?
     
  15. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Can you use a lower voltage power adapter to run it? You are pushing 10 lbs of air in a 5 lb tube.
     
  16. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    square fan round tube? that's a problem.

    you don't need much air flow. 15 cfm will do it. more is not bad though. a commercial forced air system can have 50 cfm or more at the endpoint and it practically blows the lid off. cold air seeps from the metal edges.

    a return vent is not really needed for a simple upright tower, just get the vent all the way up to the top and the air will fall back into the conditioned space on its own.
    Cheers.
     
  17. drew7777

    drew7777 Crusader (406) May 10, 2009 Virginia

    I did replace the very thin "insulation" in the tower with 1/2" thick dense foam and I'm sure that's helping.

    The CPU fan will take 12v, but I have a 9v power adapter on it. What's the concern with the square fan and round tube... or am I dense and that was just a round peg in a square hole reference?

    Actually, I just replaced the 1/2" tube with 3/4" garden hose, still allows for some return air, but is flowing better.
     
  18. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    I use flex tube going into a length of copper tube - it allows you to maximize diameter while minimizing wall thickness to keep return air moving. Are you trying to correct first beer foam, or are you fighting foam every glass? The tower cooler will help with the former, not the latter.
     
  19. drew7777

    drew7777 Crusader (406) May 10, 2009 Virginia

    Actually, I only get about 1" of foam in the first beer and almost none in the next. I'm pretty happy with it but it's an old kegerator I just bought off Craigslist and it doesn't seem to stay consistently as cold as it should. I'll soon be adding a second keg and am fearful it will have more trouble maintaining temp then so I want to make sure all components are cold and insulated.
     
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