Toxic elements in beer bottles

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  1. SonofBeerDude

    SonofBeerDude Aspirant (267) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    In a study conducted by the University of Plymouth, and in a paper published in Environmental Science and Technology, "New research shows that bottles of beer, wine and spirits contain potentially harmful levels of toxic elements, such as lead and cadmium, in their enameled decorations."

    What do American craft brewers make of this?

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190628120428.htm
     
  2. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    If you don't lick the outside of your bottles, you'll be OK.

    (The real issue is disposal, I think, not use...)
     
  3. eppCOS

    eppCOS Grand Pooh-Bah (4,570) Jun 27, 2015 Colorado
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    Well, it's certainly a legit journal outlet, so this would be good for brewers/materials managers to think about when they source glass from abroad. The real issue will be recycling/re-use when domestic and off-shore glass gets mixed in for another generation of bottle use. Yikes.
     
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  4. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I guess they are talking about “painted” bottles like stone?

    I never knew there was UV reducing glass.

    Enjoy
     
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  5. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think it's nice name for green bottles. Still let's UV in the beer just at reduced levels compared to clear glass.
     
  6. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Why cans are best, cheers.
     
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  7. BEERMILER12

    BEERMILER12 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,725) Sep 11, 2010 Maine
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    Essentially this article is warning about touching the artwork on the outside of bottles. It has nothing to do with the beer/wine/spirits inside the bottles. Yes, the artwork on bottles such as Stone, Almanac, etc. with more than just paper on the outside most definitely have levels of these chemicals. It's pretty much just saying that the levels on the bottle can degrade, especially in water, and you should wash your hands before sticking your fingers in your mouth after touching said bottle.

    TL;DR: Nothing IN the beer bottles is actually harmful. It's the artwork.
     
  8. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Other than alcohol :wink:
     
  9. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Though some will argue the safety of the BPA in the can lining. The FDA says not to worry though.
     
  10. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    I just read a study that said lead and cadmium are good for your heart.
     
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  11. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Brought to you by your friends at the American Association of Lead And Cadmium Miners....
     
  12. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Maven (1,470) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa
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    The REAL scary thing is the high level of DiHydrogen Monoxide in the beer itself. That stuff kills people.
     
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  13. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Sadly its in just about everything we consume that is canned, avoiding it is next to impossible.
     
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  14. DrumKid003

    DrumKid003 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2013 Oklahoma

    Yup, real dangerous stuff. Maybe we should replace it with D2O?:+1:
     
  15. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    The paper speaks to green glass and UV blocking glass.

    Are you saying UV blocking glass is just a green glass?

    Enjoy
     
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  16. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    UV-blocking sounds higher-tech
     
  17. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That was my takeaway from skimming through the paper.
     
  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Not according to this patent - US4253878A
    Light protective bottle glass(Molson & Carling O'Keefe)
    (or several others, as listed*).
    * Like this Heineken Patent.
     
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  19. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    In my profession I investigate/clean-up these compounds like lead, cadmium, and chromium* (and more) in soils and water and compared to what I handle I was initially surprised at how high the reported concentrations on the bottles are. Then I reminded myself that the risk factors applied to determine acceptable safety in a manufactured product with a specific use, are very different from risk factors applied to a chemical in soil and water... when something is released "into the wild" it's much harder to calculate risk, so it's a different ballgame.

    * - Sidenote regarding Chromium, little can be said about health risks without specifying trivalent/Cr(III) and hexavalent/Cr(VI) forms. Cr(III) is relatively safe; Cr(VI) is extremely toxic.

    Anyway... @MNAle is probably right here:
    Yeah... the average person is not chipping the enamel off bottles and eating it, and if they are, they probably have worse problems anyway. :wink: So the issue is more disposal (i.e. leaching in landfills]. It could be a problem for recycling too, because when the glass is melted down those heavy metals would mix in, or require cleaning first and then the cleaning wastes would need to be disposed correctly. Another potential risk is the manufacturers of these designer bottles would have large quantities of paints/enamels with very high concentrations of these compounds, and the application process could be a risk to those workers or emitted to the environment in waste streams [but that all happens in 3rd world sweatshops that no one here gives a second thought to. :rolling_eyes:]

    But at any rate, Even though the risk to consumers/general public is probably extremely low, I would still agree with the researcher that there are concerns and cost-effective alternatives exist that the industry should switch to.
     
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  20. Scrapss

    Scrapss Pooh-Bah (2,220) Nov 15, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    We were just talking about beer testosterone and beer tits....BPA beer tits, now it makes sense


     
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