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Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by Srkolodn, Feb 11, 2014.

  1. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 New York
    Beer Trader

    I have a deal being negotiated..

    The centerpiece of the deal Is 2 Pliny for 3 Zombie dust.. Is this a fair trade (I'm trading the Pliny)

    If not what would need to be added for a traded from Michigan
  2. Quickicks

    Quickicks Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2013 North Carolina

    This should be moved, but that's more than fair in my opinion. Not sure on $4$ but I think you are offering enough. Freshness is key ;)
  3. JamesShoemaker

    JamesShoemaker Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2012 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    That's about $4 more on your part than on the other trader's, but of course that might be a non-issue.

    GOBLIN Savant (946) Mar 3, 2013 Ohio
    Beer Trader

    Sounds like a fair enough deal to me. As mentioned . . . freshness is key ! Maybe get a Hopslam out of the deal if it's coming from Michigan.
  5. Pzellot

    Pzellot Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2012 California

    It depends on how bad one wants the beers but 3 IPAs for 2 sounds good to me. I agree with the statement about freshness being key. Ive never had the ZD but IMO Pliny just isn't the same after a 4 to 5 weeks.
  6. TequilaSauer

    TequilaSauer Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2006 Florida

    The Pliny side is a bit more dollar wise, but ZD is the better beer, IMO. Do it, says I.
  7. RyanCave

    RyanCave Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Oregon

    sounds fair. $4$ i think that's even, if not just throw in a few extras to make it even.

    the whole concept of a "fair trade" is dumb..if its worth it to you to try the Zombie Dust and you are willing to part with your Pliny's whats the problem? you don't "win" trades, anyone who tells you otherwise is not a good trading partner

    trust your gut. If you feel like its not worth it then tell them that, this isn't a business negotiation where you hide your cards and play your opponent
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  8. mythaeus

    mythaeus Champion (814) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    While as long as both sides are happy is good, $4$, it's actually 6:2 ZD: PtE since I believe PtE is around $5-6/ea and ZD is $12/6-pack. I think 4 ZD for 2 PtE would be a more fair deal where neither side would "win".
  9. TequilaSauer

    TequilaSauer Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2006 Florida

    If I'm not trading rares or anything super limited, I like making sure it's $4$ moreso because I don't want to screw anyone and usually they feel the same way. So it's actually for the opposite of "winning." If anything, I don't want to win because I feel like a douche.
  10. Brew33

    Brew33 Champion (832) Oct 24, 2007 Ohio
    Beer Trader

    This should be 6 ZD for 2 PTE in my opinion. That is basically $4$. I certainly wouldn't send 2 PTE for 3 ZD.
  11. lookrider

    lookrider Zealot (578) Apr 22, 2007 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    Agree, definitely should be more ZD for the 2 Pliny. 5-6 would be more like it.
  12. concealed

    concealed Aspirant (281) May 7, 2009 Georgia
    Beer Trader

    I personally wouldn't bother with a trade that small
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  13. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Defender (606) May 11, 2012 Missouri
    Beer Trader

    You should get a whole sixer of ZD for the two Plinys
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  14. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2013 New York
    Beer Trader

    haha you got any ZD I want to trade w/ you
  15. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Defender (606) May 11, 2012 Missouri
    Beer Trader

    Nah we don't get it in Missouri. Hopefully in Southern IL soon though

    If you put up an ISO:FT I think you should be able to find a 6 pack for the Plinys
  16. nc41

    nc41 Meyvn (1,344) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    2 Pliny = 6 ZD IMO, pretty equal $4$. Still worth expanding given the amount of beer.
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  17. abecall98

    abecall98 Devotee (442) Aug 11, 2007 California
    Beer Trader

    Why even bother trading and spending all that money shipping for 3 bottles of beer that average under $10 for all 3?
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  18. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (945) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    This is a lot of headache over $2. Then you have to package and ship it. Who cares about $4$ at that point. Just stuff a box full of beer and see if you can punt it across the country to each other.
  19. mythaeus

    mythaeus Champion (814) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    The OP said "The centerpiece of the deal Is 2 Pliny for 3 Zombie dust". I'm reading that as this is only a part of the trade, but yes, definitely expand otherwise it's a bit wasteful with the effort and shipping cost.
  20. Photekut

    Photekut Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Tennessee

    OP, not directed entirely at you, but the state of the trade forum in general...

    Can we change the General / Help sub forum to the "Trade Maximization and Stock Market" sub forum?
    Has anyone took a hard look at this place in the past 2 years or so?

    Trading used to be about getting to try beers you wanted for beers you had, not worrying if you are getting the exact value you should out of each and every beer you have on the auction block.
  21. mythaeus

    mythaeus Champion (814) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    While I agree with some of your sentiments, specifically getting the beers that you wanted for the beers that you had is the goal, I don't think it's wrong to attempt to conduct a fair and happy trade on monetary values, reputation/desirability of beers, and generosity and advocacy. Moreover, you simply cannot sustain trading long-term, especially on a limited budget, if you keep spending more and getting less. Likewise, you can't focus solely on $4$, keep on nickel and dime your trade partners each and every time, and expect to keep on trading. There is a happy medium somewhere in both being generous and being fair and both parties involved can give or take accordingly as no two trades are ever exactly the same.

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  22. Photekut

    Photekut Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Tennessee

    I guess I have always been for the generous side.
    I like losing trades because I like getting new beers into people's hands.

    I consistently throw limited releases ( esp Jackie O's ) in as extras because I want people to enjoy them like I do.

    If someone is cash strapped ( limited budget ), they probably should be more worried about the cost of shipping than making up exact $4$.

    As for rarity, people figured it out a few years ago without clogging up the forums.
    ( Usually a few people laughing at you will prompt better research )
    I got my fair share when I started out in 2006. Dreadnaught & KBS for Older Viscosity was hahahaha.

    The general attitude of trading has changed too.
    A lot more people are looking for something for nothing when they post value threads, not a fair deal.
    There is a lot more BS to wade through now for sure.

    Now get off my lawn!! :)
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  23. mythaeus

    mythaeus Champion (814) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    I hear you, my friend. My sense is that the majority of these questions are from new traders rather than vets. I was a bit more concerned on $4$ in the beginning, definitely not so much now. Perhaps there are just a lot more people getting into trading now than existing trading vets so it seems to be more of the way you see it.
  24. nc41

    nc41 Meyvn (1,344) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    Just a quick question on IPA freshness, you have Pliny in NY he has ZD in MI, is that out of area too? IMO both of these are only great when they're fresh, and I'm assuming both are out of area brews for both traders. Need to let each other know dates.
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  25. lonewolfcry

    lonewolfcry Zealot (560) Dec 7, 2007 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    It's not that complicated...
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