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Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by jklinck, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. jklinck

    jklinck Jul 23, 2007 Washington

    12/18 I shipped
    12/19 He shipped
    12/23 He received
    12/27 my box is damaged and will be returned to sender
    01/08 he receives box back and let's me know what broke
    01/09 No communication
    01/10 I ask for tracking and get no response
    01/13 I ask for tracking and get no response, he has been on ba almost everyday and had a post on 01/05 potentially setting up another trade
    01/14 I send him text messages asking why he isn't responding
    01/14 He has had box 6 days now, says he has the flu and will have a family member send it tomorrow
    01/15 it is now 1:15 his time and I haven't received a tracking # yet

    If he has the flu that sucks but if he can have a family member send it today why couldn't he have done the same 6 days ago? And why couldn't he have commnicated with me, especially since he has made numerous posts since receiving the box back? Not to mention that my HT is now a month old.

    So, should I out him?
     
  2. Hanzo

    Hanzo Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    So it has only been a week since he got the box he sent out back? I don't think that that is outing time yet. But it does suck that he isn't better at responding (even though he is on the site) and I probably wouldn't trade with him in the future.

    That said, I would tell him he has one more week to ship out then you out him. If this is freshness sensitive beer (which HT is) I would ask him to wait until he gets fresh beer to ship.
     
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  3. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Sep 4, 2010 California
    Beer Trader

    I know it must be frustrating. Personally though I think it is still well within an acceptable time frame. The flu is really getting around right now so I would give them the benefit of the doubt and give it another few days at least.
     
  4. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    He could possibly be really sick? And can't repack the box. I'd give him more time, personally.
     
  5. OakedCanuck

    OakedCanuck Jun 23, 2009 Washington

    Give him a couple more days, or at least request some communication. Also, tell him to go pick up some fresh HT.
     
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  6. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Sep 4, 2010 California
    Beer Trader

    I didn't see HT was part of the trade till now. Month old HT should still be more than fine. IPA's fade but people get really out of hand about their freshness.
     
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  7. OakedCanuck

    OakedCanuck Jun 23, 2009 Washington

    I know and I'm sure it's fine. Part of trading for HT is getting to try it as fresh as possible. Who knows where its been sitting for the last month. I'd have no problem drinking month old HT...
     
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  8. Bad_Trader

    Bad_Trader Nov 8, 2012 Namibia

    You shipped on a Tuesday, and he received it on a Sunday?
     
  9. jklinck

    jklinck Jul 23, 2007 Washington

    No it was actually Satuday 12/22. The rest of the dates are correct.
     
  10. gyinfo

    gyinfo Dec 13, 2012

    yeah but iit's a little shady if he has been putting up ISO in the mean time and choosing not to give a simple reply to the OP as to what's going on? If he said he would get someone to ship it on 1-14 then yeah you should at least give him a day or two to get the tracking number, still shady though IMO.

    Best of luck
     
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  11. shuajw

    shuajw Aug 12, 2007 Georgia

    a week seems like plenty of time to repack a box. I had the flu after Christmas and managed to send out 2 or 3 boxes. But I'm sure many people will say, give it two weeks, why not a month. In the meantime the guy will probably screw over some other people. Lack of communication is one of the biggest red flags for a bad trader.
     
  12. jklinck

    jklinck Jul 23, 2007 Washington

    He may be really sick, but he can still type a message. Not communicating for 6 days while still posting here numerous times is proof it wouln't be much trouble to send me a message.
     
  13. Hanzo

    Hanzo Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Yeah if he is on the site posting elsewhere and avoiding responding to you that is certainly a red flag, perhaps some of the bottles that broke cannot be replaced by him and he doesn't want to tell you that?
     
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  14. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    You are right man, definitely. Try to be open with him and understanding, if it is the case that he can't replace the bottles, it won't help being aggressive with him. Only time will tell.
    Edit: What are you shorted, maybe some friendly BA's can help you out...?
     
  15. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    I would wait a little longer as well. Due to the lack of communication and posting anyway the caution flag is out. This could be the "send or I am outing you" message.
     
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  16. Kaydogg

    Kaydogg Jan 5, 2011 Pennsylvania

    new offering ... BA Influenza with wild bacteria...
     
  17. atoulouk

    atoulouk Apr 25, 2011 Indiana
    Beer Trader

    I'd give it at least a couple more days. The guy said a family member was dropping it off today, 1/15, and it's not even the end of the day yet. Maybe the family member will be dropping it off after work...
     
  18. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    I never got the flu shot - until this year - because I do a lot of trading. Paranoia sucks!
     
  19. Hanzo

    Hanzo Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    It's cool, unless you guys are over-nighting packages the virus will be dead by the time it gets to you.
     
  20. Duffman929

    Duffman929 Nov 27, 2010 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    I would fly there, give him a flu shot, make him pack up my box of beer, and have him ship that shit immediately!
     
  21. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Mar 18, 2010 California

    Wouldn't you just get the beer at the same time?
     
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  22. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    No. The trade post did not say IP.
     
  23. black13

    black13 Apr 11, 2010 Oregon
    Beer Trader

    I concur with the "send it now or I'm outing you" plan. If you have time/energy to post and set up potential new trades, you have time to make good on your current trades. Outing people, or the threat of being outed, tends to get people moving. The time to out a person is an individual choice, but if you're getting a bad feeling, it's never to early to warn others (after you've given them the message that they'll be outed).
    Good luck.
     
  24. nc41

    nc41 Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    Cans don't break so I assume extra's broke? I'd opt for fresher HT, being that's it's canned every Mon and Thurs shouldn't be a problem. By the time this sorts out 6 week old HT probably isn't your deal.
     
  25. cfh64

    cfh64 Aug 16, 2005 Texas
    Beer Trader

    Beat me to it. I'd tell him to wait until he's not sick anymore before touching any of my beers. I'd rather wait a week or two then get the flu. If I were you, I'd disinfect the box before touching it and wear some personal protective equipment. BTW, you are now on my do not trade with list until you post a video of yourself burning the box and bubble wrap. j/k
     
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  26. ASUBeer

    ASUBeer Nov 4, 2011 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    Dare I say, SICK Move...???? ;)
     
  27. jrnyc

    jrnyc Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Beer Trader

    Too soon to out him, you need to give him more time.
     
  28. Patrick

    Patrick Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    I'd be unhappy about the age of the HT. If I'm trading for an IPA, I want it as fresh as possible.
     
  29. jklinck

    jklinck Jul 23, 2007 Washington

    I got a tracking # and it's in Fedex possession, so things are looking better.
     
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  30. cavedave

    cavedave Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    Excellent news, BUT this guy seems to be a poor communicator, and that is a red flag for all of us to notice.
     
  31. jklinck

    jklinck Jul 23, 2007 Washington

    It actually was the HT cans (2 of them) that broke. Everything else was fine
     
  32. nanobrew

    nanobrew Dec 31, 2008 California


    Could he have communicated better? Maybe, but if the guy had the flu, which is very possible, I can see why he is like "F- it I will deal with this later". The trader only had the returned box for a week. Plus his activity on BA setting up another trade was before the box had been returned, and possibly before he got sick.

    I understand communication is key, and a lot of people misuse the "life got in the way" excuse, but come on. This isn't a business, this is a fellow BA. If anything I am guessing the OP burned a possible future trade partner. If I was the sender I would be a little miffed with his posting of this. I would send required beer, a few extras but nothing above and beyond like i would have due to the damaged box. Plus it sounds like the trader sent the beer the day he promised (while still being sick, and having a family member drop the box off), the OP didn't even have the patience to wait the rest of the day for a tracking number.
     
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  33. cavedave

    cavedave Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    I guess you are right, but

    01/09 No communication
    01/10 I ask for tracking and get no response
    01/13 I ask for tracking and get no response, he has been on ba almost everyday and had a post on 01/05 potentially setting up another trade
    01/14 I send him text messages asking why he isn't responding

    to me that means he is logging on and disregarding his partner. He made good, that is all that counts. And yeah, it is fun, it is supposed to be fun, why fuck it up by leaving a partner hanging with no communication?

    I communicated with every one of my 3 trades during the snowicane when we had so much snow the drive couldn't be plowed and we were stuck in house without power for a week. This is why I cut no one any slack, and perhaps I am wrong for that.
     
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  34. nanobrew

    nanobrew Dec 31, 2008 California


    I agree that it is possible to send a message, and most likely if I had received those BMs and was checking BA I would have responded with "I am sick with the flu, I will make sure to get the box out when I am better". But at the same time, I would not start a thread like this after learning why the OP hadn't responded, and without the OP breaking his agreed shipping time.

    Sure the first BMs and text (though maybe a little too anxious) were understandable since the OP didn't know the other trader's situation. However, the OP needs to chill out. I cannot believe he started a "trade-problem" thread because it was after noon on the day he said he would ship. I usually drop boxes off at 5pm at my local FedEx because that is when i am done with work and pickup isn't until 6pm, so getting there early is pointless.

    Plus asking "If he has the flu that sucks but if he can have a family member send it today why couldn't he have done the same 6 days ago? " tells me the OP has no understanding. Probably because the other trader didn't want to inconvenience family members for what is suppose to be a friendly transaction. Also, most likely the trade was not something on his mind due to his sickness. Plus... it is just beer

    Overall, I think i would trade with the other trader over the OP. If I was hit with the flu I would not want someone hounding my ass like the OP, I am not Amazon, or a brewery/store that ships beer.
     
  35. Krumb

    Krumb Jan 30, 2008 Texas
    Beer Trader

    No offense, but I wouldn't trade with you if your attitude is "no communication/little communication," is acceptable. My communication with trading partners is BETTER than Amazon, etc, when trading. It's called being cordial.
     
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  36. cavedave

    cavedave Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    Absolutely, and truth told I noticed that myself. Some learning needs to be done by traders on both sides of this one.
     
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  37. ant880

    ant880 Nov 7, 2010 New York

    Rogue is already using this thread as inspiration for an H1N1 IPA
     
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  38. Krumb

    Krumb Jan 30, 2008 Texas
    Beer Trader

    This applies, too.
     
  39. nanobrew

    nanobrew Dec 31, 2008 California

    I 100% agree. I believe in top notch communication and that there is no such thing as too much communication. I feel I am great at communication with the people I trustee/proxy for (I do that way more than trading).

    I also believe in being reasonable (and cordial). Such as understanding when someone has the flu, and actually allowing them to ship on the day they said they would before posting about it. And like I said in the above post, I understand the first two BMs, and even slightly the text, however creating this thread is what I am against. If the trader didn't ship that day, and was full of other excuses, and the week went on with no progress, then yes start this thread. If I was the OP I would have told the trader to hold off on shipping until he was better, not question why he cannot bother someone to send out the beer ASAP.
     
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  40. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Jan 2, 2010 California
    Beer Trader

    If he has the flu have him burn the box with fire and send you a certified IOU, Dumb and Dumber style
     
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