Trade value observations and how it doesn't make any sense

I'm "ISO" every beer you listed!

 

This is certainly true, at least in as much as people want a universal way to value beers (such as when people try to apply the $4$ system to non-shelf beers).

On the point of publicity, perhaps there is some truth there, but some silent releases still command top value in the trade forum. See: Note, Black. That was an unannounced release and word didn't leak out for over 24 hours after the beers went on the shelf.

 

NEED TO TICK THE WALES!!

 

If its unannounced then there is no chance for hype/excitement to build up the necessary interest to fuel insane demand.

I like it that way.

 

I wish they would all go unannounced

 

I don't think CdC is particularly easy to trade for, and neither are the various coolships. I never bothered trying for Resurgum because of what people were asking. They might not flood the forums the same way Beat or KH did, but it's not like they're trading for peanuts.

And yeah, it's unsurprising that announced releases build more interest. You can't be interested in something you don't know about.

 

The value threads for new releases don't make any sense to me. And neither do the responses.

 

Don't they still have Resurgum at the brewery? I heard that a while ago... Wonder if it's still true.

 

It's harder to gain a following for the beer if you do a silent release, especially if the beer has never been made before. For the big Saturday events, i.e. DLD, Darkness, Jackie O's, ect, the experience of the day affects our opinion of the brewery and the beer. A beer that brings up good memories is a beer that will stay on ISO lists. Once the beer has that solid base from the release, the hype train can start rolling. An announced release is also free advertising, people start spreading the word like on BA. With a silent release, the beer is already release by the time people hear of it. Their only option is to trade for it and most people don't set up trades for beers they haven't heard of before. It worked for Black Note because it already had the pedigree and was highly anticipated.

 

Everyone still cares about the coolship releases when they first come out except for ghoulschip.

 

Case in point:

Struise has countdowns, a webshop, a thirty-tap truck and all that jazz, and that generates piles of interest and demand.
De Molen doesn't say shit.

Struise is one of my favorite breweries, despite the US style hype machine. Urbain is a brewing genius. That said, in many cases De Molen kicks Struise around the playground, and nobody's ever even heard of them. Give De Molen the same machine and everyone would be talking about them.

Anyways, I really appreciate De Molen's humble attitude, and that's one of the reasons I continue to support them with all my stupid money. They stay local like this; people in their back yard don't have to compete with people a continent away. Perhaps this is why some of the other breweries have decided to tone things down a bit. I can't blame them.

Jeff

 

no, this makes perfect sense, unfortunately*. if you announce the release, speculator-traders go, and they make sure to hype it (once again, the real, marketing definition of 'hype', not praise). if you don't announce it, fewer of such traders manage to acquire the beers. they consequently hype them less. on the flip side, some of those traders actually drink beer (instead of just trading it), so they imply their negotiation know-how via subtly downplaying the value (e.g. not talking about the beer, not ISOing it immediately) so they can trade for it more easily.

also, more and more established traders who would lose their shit over CL and allagash are locking down their trading to established partners only. if they have CL and allagash connections, they'd get their silent release bottles from them.

* it's arguable whether this all is unfortunate. it's also arguable if it's true; i'm just speculating given my feel for how things are now and how people behave.

 

Dark Lord Day...enough said....

 

So basically, you're speculating about speculators?

 

and in the end, i speculated about speculation itself. i think it ends there though

 

I think it makes sense. Silent release -> fewer people know about it -> fewer people ISO -> lower trade value.

 

Trade value is overrated. Imagine a community of people who will send me beers I don't have access to that they think I should try, hype/rarity be damned, and I return the favor. Everyone wins.

 

Monkey see, monkey do... it seems like if you see 2-3 ISO for a particular beer in the trade forum, it's followed by 20 more.

 

APPLY not 'imply'! always proofread, kids.