Trade Value Thread (2019)

How are MBC sales fake?

The FB razzles, sales and trades are far more likely to be fake, there is no way in hell to verify any of that.

 

I’m far more likely to trust an evaluation from the FB group, especially when it’s confirmed by multiple people, than I am to believe a few sales on a site like MBC. People often “buy” a bottle at a high price and then never pay for various reasons such as removing competitors from the market or to get people, like you guys, to believe the bottle actually sold for that high price tag, thus increasing the perceived value.

 

You know people that do this?

"Buy" but don't pay for malicious reasons?

 

No, conjecture.

Why?

That's literally exactly what happens on FB, at a far greater frequency.

Have you actually used MBC? Stuff is reposted far more frequently than it insta-closes. People use that site to make money, not to fuck around with trade values. That's just hilarious and a huge waste of time for the capitalistic mindset that gravitates towards it.

 

My question was pointed at the person I quoted. I'll wait for their reply

 

Fake sales/trades are a problem on any platform, which is why we turn to forums like this for bottle evaluations. Moral of the story, I trust any evaluation that is confirmed by multiple sources. And yes, Orange Assassin is equivalent to VR... I've done it multiple times and so have many others, but @Sabtos probably won't believe me.

 

I'm not making any claims as to Assassin vs. VR. I'm just calling bullshit on what is a more reliable source. MBC is a far more stringent, real sales platform. FB is a social media shitlord zone no matter which group you're referring to.

 

Your naïveté is really showing. Shitlords are everywhere, and FB has a better platform for calling BS on fake sales than MBC does. But go on believing all those MBC sales... I think I’ll throw up some Assassin “sales” to skyrocket its perceived value

 

I don't think MBC is a bad source at all. If anything, there is more transparency there than FB. So much dealing goes on in PMs on FB that it becomes awfully hard to track. If used intelligently, you can easily get a good sense of value on MBC. This is especially true with a bottle like VR. So many out there, so many closed sales and so many available. Assassin a little more difficult due to different vintages, availability, and closed listings. Also important to look auction style since you can't gauge whether or not a "closed" listing was actually sold or it went unsold.

 

Go ahead and please do so, so we all can report it and have your IPs banned.

 

What sort of repercussions are there for fake sales on MBC?

It seems to me like -while outliers are more likely- the bulk of FB transactions' values are much more reliable given (a) the fact that there are so many more transactions, (b) the transactions (i.e. razzles) involve many more participants, and (c) all of the social checks in place (verification requirements, real profile requirements, BBT repercussions, simply much more visibility, etc).

In my experience MBC values tend to lag behind or be overvalued (not due to fraud, just given that there are fewer of them and that the ones listed are from sellers/buyers more motivated to sell/buy those goods).

I'm open to being wrong here, I'm just genuinely surprised at people with a lot of experience suggesting otherwise.

 

So to your point, what you're alluding to is that people are 'fake' buying Assassin to drive price and value UP, but they are NOT fake (or real?) buying Vanilla Rye to intentionally drive the price down?? People sure are idiots then if they continue to buy VR at much higher values on FB than to just go to MBC and buy any of the VR bottles which could be had for far less.

 

So with all this said ..... I can close assassin 18 for a Hamm's can?

 

Razzles are a totally different animal in my opinion. Just because 20 people are willing to gamble $10 away for a chance at a bottle doesn't mean any one of those people would be willing to pay $200 for that one bottle.

 

That is correct.

 

Sure, I agree. But they do help inform value. I think my points generally stand there disregarding razzles entirely as well.

 

They're also different than straight up sales and trades on FB where on guy can say PM and the post is closed, which from where I sit seem to happen with far more frequency than razzles.

Then again, I have no interest in gambling and donating money to shitlords, and also pay absolutely zero mind to anyone that quotes to me a razzle value of a beer

 

People typically are not calculating "value" based on ace nations like your former example.

 

Anyone else find it interesting that some believe VR value has diminished a bit? Prices on prop 14 are down from what they used to be also. Obviously there’s more good beer to be had now than ever before, but interesting they demand has waned faster than supply, apparently.

 

Not going to even remotely feign to know wtf an ace nation is, but people "quote" razzle values all the time in these kinds of threads and groups.

I've never understood the value behind VR personally, fell off a long ass time ago in my experiences with it.