Trade Value Thread (2019)

lol I have no clue what an "ace nation" is either, I'm still trying to figure out how I auto-correct-typo'd that one. I think I meant "instance." Either way: (1) I assume when people quote "razzle" values they're doing so knowing that it's likely inflated and (2) respectfully, I still think that FB in the aggregate is still a much more reliable and up-to-date indicator of value, for the reasons listed above.

Anyway, think I can land 2x Ace Nation with an Assassin? I saw it done in a razzle but MBC indicates I might be off.

 

Its simple.

 

Okay, I hestitate to ask, but in all seriousness though, value on More BA Henna Double Rainbow...?

 

According to the gold standard, sorry I mean MBC, some have sold for way less than a VRU

 

Again, show us where YOU have closed VR for Assassin 18 multiple times or anyone else. As everyone else has alluded to razzles mean little to nothing when people are trading. Just because people are willing to gamble 20 $ a spot for VR and Assassin 18 doesn’t mean it’s trading 1:1.

Besides FB inflates values more than anything. Maman TWCP has skyrocketed because of 1 anomaly trade on a local STL site. BBT b2 has skyrocketed because 1 individual has corned the market trading bourbon for bottles.

 

I think people might just be talking about different things here. When I talk about "value" I'm talking about "what people have generally agreed is the value based on an aggregate" not "it happened once." Using TWCP as a benchmark, I see "about $200ish" as the most recent (2 days ago) entry on a reliable FB group, and I see 10 transactions listed on MBC with the last one being $250 in 2017 (although it's possible I'm searching in the wrong place?). Using this benchmark, I'm not sure it's fair to say that value on this beer has "skyrocketed" using reliable indicators, nor that FB is necessarily less reliable because it's inflated.

 

edit: nevermind, seems like I was looking at regular Maman. I didn't find any recent values for TWCP on MBC. See it for $1k on FB, no clue what it is on MBC.

As an aside, is there any particular reason that user control over their past comments is so incredibly terrible on this site?

 

How are you looking? Just type TWCP Maman, and then go to the menu on the lift, scroll down and click 'sold'. Then just look for transactions that had bids on them. There were probably 3 transactions with bids that closed within last 3 months on a quick look.

 

I'm guessing you need to have an account to do so. If that's the case then my mistake! -- MBC could definitely be more active than I was aware.

 

No account on this end. I'll send you DM so we don't get into specifics here.

 

Can we stop arguing over whether garbage site A is better than garbage site B for referencing these moronic black market values? Both sites are terrible ways of determining whether or not a trade is a good and fair offer.

Secondary market sales and trading are two completely different realms. Secondary sales is the realm of shitlords. It is based around profiteering scumbags trying to squeeze every last penny out of some sucker. The trading realm is based around beer geeks trying to hook each other up with good beer and build friendships. Traders should want their trade partners to feel stoked with what they received in the trade. It’s not about putting out some crappy offer that maybe some desperate sucker that will fall for and later regret. In this way, the value people put on beers for the black market sale realm and the trading realm is fundamentally different.

Here’s an analogy: you want to spend time with a nice woman (or man). You could go the quick path, not caring about what you’re supporting, and see a prostitute. OR you could ask someone out, go on some dates, get to know them, and build something truly rewarding. This thread is like asking your buddies “hey if I were to ask this person out, do you think I’d have a chance?” Quoting secondary would be like you buddy saying “well if they were a hooker I bet they would cost $X.” Totally useless.

So if we’re talking about if Assassin and VR are a fair trade 1:1, let’s talk about taste, let’s talk about availability, let’s talk about personal experiences where you posted an offer 1:1 and you immediately got 5 PMs. That’s useful info. But mixing trading with the secondary market realm of shitlords is not.

TL;DR: let’s stop quoting these damn hooker prices!

 

I agree...but this thread is a rabbit hole.

I've tried to bring in taste, quality and rarity into this discussion multiple times, and other trade discussions, but it rarely goes anywhere. I don't value some beers as highly as others, particularly because I've had it before and wasn't impressed, or because of the breweries that make them and the other beers I've had of theirs that weren't that great. But what I'd personally value that beer at is significantly lower than what someone who hasn't had it, and they usually don't want to hear anything negative about the beer that's on the pedestal of the moment.

I feel like trades are getting done less and less often because people only want to trade for a very select few bottles out of only a couple of regions, and those regions know it and hold their bottles for a king's ransom. If they were traded more frequently, then the value would drop as people realize they were fleeced for beer that is only marginally better, or even worse, than what they sent.

 

So actually moving the discussion along......


Coffee shop vibes 2019

Could some combo of Horus get it done?
Grasp, beans, territory

 

Everyone knows that "taste" and "secondary value" aren't necessarily commensurate, and that "secondary value" is used as a placeholder for "general demand" in this context. It's absolutely helpful and necessary to reference the general demand -taking into account other things that factor into secondary like supply and taste and allocation- when discussing if one beer "should" trade for another.

These are obviously rough guidelines for the purpose of sketching out general tips more than they are hard and fast rules.

 

CSV seems to be less valuable this year, with all the Coco and other variations taking precedent. I've seen some 1:1s on bottles I wouldn't have seen last year, I'd think any single non-ba Horus would be fine.

 

Grasp would get it done quickly, I'd think. The others seem less coveted. Feel like they all could be pretty comparable though.

 

As much as I agree with what your saying, hooking up each other because we can’t get certain beers in our region, or for whatever reason, is becoming a thing of the past. Like @Sabtos said, and I too believe, there are less and less trades going on because the ‘good vibes’ is not what it’s about. I value beers differently than what others do as well. I may be willing only to give up so much for a ‘want’ and that may be only half of what’s needed according to X website. Or I’ll offer something and will get 5 DMs right away. Trading has predominantly become about ‘what’s the maximum I can get out of what I have’, or ‘what’s the least I could offer to get what I wnat’ because it’s all about ‘winning’. I’ve lost plenty of trades, in eyes of many, because I gave up plenty for a want. But ultimately I don’t give a shit because I was happy with what I got.

I’m done. I got sucked into this bullshit value discussion so I fucked this thread up for a while. My apologies. Back to actual beer.

 

Anybody close any trades for HF Vera Mae 2016? Or what is te value in VRU. 1:1 with HF clover?

 

I'm been looking for a Maman 18 and PBC medianoche. Would a Damon 2018 + ba henna karma be good enough to land both in one trade?

 

I got both and say the value is fair, but not really over the top and that's what it takes to land both bottles.