Trade Value Thread (2019)

It's not based on and I have not relied on that because I have zero idea what the secondary values of these beers are, but thanks.

 

I don’t know why you’re so defensive but if your ever looking to trade whales with regular distro beers then hit me up!

 

Not defensive, but we obviously operate in different ways.

Let me give you an example. Hill Farmstead's Clover is a beer I've had multiple times. I have zero idea what it goes for on the mystical secondary market. What I do know is that it's a beer that comes out about once a year, is limited-2 bottles per person, and costs $30 for a 375 ml. I would certainly trade this bottle for a different beer in those similar ranges that I've never had before even if in the secondary world it was say a 2 VRU to 1, on my side. Usually the person on the other side is in the same position.

That's how I trade. Maybe that's naive, but I'm not out chasing whalez bro so I can swing my dick on instagram. And somehow they seem to fall into my lap sometimes and I can live with that.

Thanks for the offer, but I can tell already you're not someone I'd want to trade with. Cheers.

 

If you didn't catch on, I was being facetious. Thanks for eliminating me from your ultra exclusive club that is "value blind". Saying you aren't defensive is laughable. You think anyone who uses secondary value is a "whalez bro" who is only looking to drink beer so they can post it on instagram. Doesn't sound like a person who isn't mad.

By the way, you looking at factors like 2 bottle limit, once a year release, and 30 dollars for a 375 ML literally just established a higher secondary value. Like I said, you are valuing based on secondary even if you don't know the number. It's hard for me to comprehend why a dollar value offends you so much when it's entire purpose is to put a value to what you just did in your head.

 

Again, I try to avoid a back and forth so I'm good here. Have a good weekend.

 

I wonder if any of the people that received those oxidized stouts watch this thread

 

Is that the same person? Isn’t that a different username?

Anyway, relying on things like “it only comes out once a year” and “it tastes really good” are just as much secondary factors as “someone paid $300 for it.” I have no clue why this is such a contentious issue, but I guess that’s what happens when the notion of buying/selling beer enters a BA thread lol.

 

Good catch. I misremembered who said that and overlooked it when I went to quote it.

I am truly sorry for misrepresenting you @Bburns87 . I have 'reported' my post and asked for it to be deleted since I cannot.

As you were gents. Allow me to open mouth and insert foot

 

Haha, never even saw what you said so no worries bud.

 

Wow, didn't mean to start such a contentious mini discussion...

 

FIGHT ME NOW

 

1v1 Fight for Curvature batch2?

 

I want to come to the defense of the anti-secondary folks, because I think they are sorta being misrepresented here. Yes, of course, the factors they (or anyone) would care about when trading -- like bottle count, frequency of release, retail cost, etc. -- are correlated with secondary $$ values. But their point is that they would rather use these factors and leave reference to the $$ values out of it. I get that, and @Leftofthedial and @MattOC have given good arguments for this position in their posts.

I still don't think it makes sense to prohibit referencing secondary values. If some people don't want to cite or use them, that's absolutely their prerogative. But it seems like plenty of people find them helpful. My view is that using secondary values should be allowable on this site (not required, obviously!), so long as there's no actual selling that takes place here.

I'll say that figuring out secondary values was especially helpful when I was a brand new trader. When you get into trading, there's so much to learn about...breweries and beers you've never heard of, getting a sense of the size and frequency of releases, which beers see distribution, how much demand there is for particular beers. It's totally overwhelming. When I first started trading, I knew that there was demand for some MN beers I could get (like BA Darkness and BA Double Shot Double Black). But I had *no idea* what kind of beers would be reasonable to trade for in return. I once asked someone if they would trade their ADWTD for my BADSDB (lol...I wasn't trying to rip them off, I just had no idea their bottle was way more valuable than mine). Knowing the secondary values made things much easier. Now I essentially knew, immediately, that BADSDB could reasonably trade for things like CW anniversaries, some Kane bottles, maybe a recent FO, without having to ask in a trade forum about each one of these possible trades (and about lots more possible trades that, unbeknownst to me, would have been totally implausible).

 

What bourbon would it take for tete v15 and v16?
Also the mdb6 set with both bottles and glass?

 

You are asking what bottle of bourbon would land EACH of the tete’s individually, or combined?

Same for which bottle for the entire MD set?

 

I completely agree with your point here. I understand that the secondary market leads to profiteering and people trying to maximize their value, but pretending this market doesn't exist doesn't help anyone. For better or for worse, trade values are set in the secondary market, with a few other factors such as Venn diagram issues contributing to whether a trade gets done or not. Markets like this exist for literally every product that has demand exceeds supply.

We don't have to condone secondary and profiteering, but it would be valuable for everyone if it isn't treated as something unspeakable that we shun others for participating in as long as people aren't getting screwed over. If you have limited Hill Farmstead or Side Project that you would only ever trade for something that is just as limited to have a "fair" trade, that's already participating in secondary. The point of this thread is just to be helpful, isn't it? Turning our noses up at the mere idea of secondary discussion only serves the old guard that already have all of the information though years of experience as to what trades are "fair." It literally goes against the spirit of helping newer people that have limited beer and are trying to come up with a fair trade for other limited beer.

 

Go easy on me.

Would any Floodland be fair for Damon? Would I need to add some Cantillon?

 

Yes, assuming you are on the Floodland side?
I was on the HF side, I did a Aaron b2 + Damon 18 + juice machine for Honey Punch + voice hearers + bottleworks xx

 

I am on the floodland side. Thanks for the guidance, much appreciated.

 

Do the new Angry Chair/Untitled Arts stouts have any trade value for other non-BA stouts? I'm not sure if how limited the production of it was. The beer us 12% and called Cookies and Cream and it absolutely delicious. I think it is better than the Gas Station Coffee from last year last time they did a collab