Trade Value Thread (2019)

@Leftofthedial I agree that a 1:1 trade is less feasible compared to a larger trade. I need to find other comparable TRB (or other) bottles that have a good balance of sweet and sour and expand the ISO.

@Montanabeerz thank you for sharing that info. I will take a look.

 

I did a side by side of GTS and Stagg Jr. with several people. I was able to identify the GTS, but barely. They were very similar. Others thought the stagg Jr was GTS. That being said I think they are both decent bourbons but one is easily found/traded for and one you have to bend over for.

 

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Good to know I can get stagg jr for a not too heavy markup. Another bourbon that looks readily accessible, of good value, and not inflated is Eagle Rare 10. Any experiences?

 

Eagle Rare is usually substantially easier to get than Stagg Jr, and not really comparable. Stagg Jr is NAS BP, while ER does have an AS and is 90proof(?).

I would align Stagg Jr more closely to Elijah Craig BP, and I personally am a lot bigger fan of the EC - and they usually are sitting on shelves.

 

Oh man if people thought I hated GTS...and couldn't handle that, they'd flip over my view of Stagg Jr.

Eagle Rare is definitely the better of the 3. Hell even the lowly base BT is.

God damn bourbon advocacy.

 

I had the pleasure of tasting that EC BP and wow that's amazingly clean for the ABV. Thanks for the advice

 

To add to this:

ER sits on shelves (cases and cases upon cases in all formats) regionally. In other regions, it cannot he has easily (Missouri and Mississippi come to mind from recent trips).

I have never been to a single state where Stagg Jr is easily accessible, although I know one establishment in a single state where it sometimes exists. In fact - that’s the only store I have ever seen it in.

ECBP is distributed widely and probably has the best distro/chance of random Jo tracking it down. I’ve come across it a ton (although we have discussed my efforts).

Tastes are subjective. I recently read an article on Jim Beam (black maybe?) beating out PVW in a taste test, and it got me to thinking about recent posts in this thread, first, the article pointed out that the actual poll that was published was super biased. It didn’t ask people which one they enjoyed more, it asked which was more “smooth,” which is not only subjective, but also biased to a lower proof when one is in the 80s (beam) and the other is around 110 (the PVW in question). Along these same lines, my brother in law and his buddy think Blanton’s is the best, and this weekend they kept describing it as “so smooth,” especially by my brother in law, who is a self proclaimed “non whiskey drinker.”

If you really delve into whiskey drinkers, you’ll find that some people really like higher proof whiskey’s (whether that is neat, with water, ice, etc.), and some do not. I have recently learned that ECBP can give me terrible heartburn. If it was not for that, i think it is pretty tasty stuff. Along these same lines - Stagg I think is good (but not, perhaps, as deserving of its rank, IMo), but it is pretty darn hot, although the alcohol is hidden better than in ECBP (IMO).

This was all just a bunch to say that...tastes are subjective, and you have to find what works for you. Some may not think there is much of a difference between the $20 shelf bourbon and the $490 bottle. More power to you. Others may not be a whiskey lover, or may just have a more discernible palate and as a result may end up being more picky. I think it’s very much the same way as we all feel about beer, and our pursuit of those great hard to find beers - compared to our buddy that only drinks macro and says, “this is just as good.”

 

Blanton's is good.

Lower proof is almost always better.

Ohio gets a lot of bourbon, so there's that. Like a lot. No one really cares much about a lot of it...it sells fine but it's not like oh boy oh boy...

PVW isn't what it was, and never will be, when it made a name for itself. It's basically a completely different bourbon. Every single bottle of any variation of Wink Winkle or Papperooski sold since it made a name for itself has very little to do with the origins of the hype. It's not hard to beat current Pap smears, really. But at least it keeps the Japanese and Chinese clamoring to spend big big big big munny.

 

Darwin I think we might have read the same article on the Jim Beam black but my impression was that the author gave the thoughts that clearly PVW is way ahead of Beam but if you're an undiscerning new to bourbon drinker Jim Beam black will do just fine. I know I gotta get back to you for your take of bourbons, your knowledge is a pot of gold to me.

On your reaction to ECBP we all are getting older and that's some real high proof stuff which is why I was shocked it is smoother than stuff I've had with half the abv.

You're absolutely correct about finding good bourbons. It's just like the best taco shops in San Diego. The shittier looking on the exterior/interior the better. If there's a guy passed out on the sidewalk with his eyes open, you're odds go up substantially in finding a hidden gym bottle at said liquor store.

 

What would perceived value of Iris and/or Vigneronne be if trading NE IPAs for it, specifically OH. Haven't really traded for Cantillon, so trying to get a gauge

 

50N4E b4 + Assassin 2019 :: BBT b2

People are saying BBT is reasonable again, so does this trade seem fair? I’m on the left.

 

I think based on recent offers, this is short.

BBT b2 closed last week for gold assassin and tape rock b1

Offer open right now for ba cocovibes + Maman 18 + owa.

While they have not announced quantities, Toppling Goliath will be selling bottles of assassin 19 on Nov, 9th. So, assassin 19 ft m offers may increase in the next two weeks.

 

While he does appear a bit short namely because 50N4E isn't trading as high as it used to its looking more and more like BBT is going to be an annual release. They have like 6 sessions for the b3 end of November pick ups (I hate that pickups are right around Thanksgiving). The blending to make b3 this year look insane.

 

Until 1 guy sets the price so high it's unattainable like b2.

 

This could probably use some explaining for those not in the know.

 

I am not in a total know, but from what I've read here and there, one guy acquired a huge amount of BBT b2 bottles and then raised the value by increasing the asking price of what's required in order to obtain one. By doing that, others with BBT b2 bottles started asking for similar bottles/value in return.

 

Yes. My understanding is that this gentleman has cases upon cases of rare whiskey, and routinely trades them for certain beers, like BBT B2, acquiring cases of said beer. -Then, flips them at an inflated value due to, shall we say, artificial scarcity.

 

It’s happening as we type out these responses too lol, offers of highly-valued whisky and wine for multiple BBTs each.

Gotta love markets doing what markets do best!*

*Concentrating capital and power in the hands of the few who are then able to dictate the market.

 

Correct. In terms of strategy, very similar to what De Beers does with diamonds.

He closed a couple yestersay. One for a handy, and one for a gts.

Couple offers still open from him. He is looking for two for a JeF 20, four for a pappy 20. Seems there are another two or three offers he has out there. Right now, seems he is offering slightly less than current value of BBT b2. Crazy, nonetheless