Trade Value Thread (2020)

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by Michaelpro824, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. Michaelpro824

    Michaelpro824 Initiate (122) Nov 27, 2015 New York
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    The guidelines for this are the following:
    1. Under no circumstances should cash value, offers to exchange cash for beer, offers to exchange beer for cash, offers to exchange cash for prime grade A sirloin or really anything involving cash at all be mentioned. This will lock the thread immediately and you will be shamed. If you have to use a reference, I would recommend the gold standard of RVRU (relative vanilla rye units) - aside, is VRU still a thing? By now there are prob some who don’t even know what VR is. If that’s how you’re going to talk about things maybe Average Seasonal Cantillon Units would be a better standard. Or just carry on.
    2. Don't be vague. No one really knows if you're ISO or FT. No beer has a singular value, so asking "what can I get with X?" will result with a million answers. "What does it take to land Y?" Again please help give us an idea of what you have FT or where about you're at to give an idea of locals, etc.
    3. The purpose of this thread is to help users out and introduce some dialogue and conversation into the merits of a particular proposed trade. It is meant to help users new and old and be a bit more dynamic than the "completed trades" section.
    4. Have fun with this!

    I'll start this off with a couple questions

    Prop 18 vs 19. Saw someone FT 19, ISO 18 1:1 close easy, but if I'm FT 18, ISO 19, I'd assume I'd need a small + still to pull 19 from someone? some TH/HF/Suarez cans?

    Tete 15 vs 16, pretty even? Is one more valuable than the other? And would either go 1:1 with Assassin 19?
     
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  2. mdg164

    mdg164 Initiate (98) Mar 28, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Two questions: How do the latest batches of KBBS and BBT compare? How about purple wax assassin vs 2019 silver wax?

    In either case... would one side have to add, if so... how much?
     
  3. nmoe

    nmoe Initiate (107) Dec 18, 2015 Minnesota
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    I traded a KBBS + 2x DDH King Sue for a BBT b3. I've also seen it go 1:1. My personal preference is for every other batch of KBBS over this one as I believe this batch is much more coffee forward.

    Purple Assassin still seems to be slightly above Silver Assassin, but the trend is Silver Assassin is climbing faster. If you like dark fruits then you will likely prefer Purple, if you prefer a more balanced and chocolaty flavor go with Silver.
     
  4. yeahnatenelson

    yeahnatenelson Meyvn (1,166) Feb 8, 2010 Illinois
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    Feelings on PtY trade value?
     
  5. TonyLuvsBeer

    TonyLuvsBeer Aspirant (225) Mar 28, 2015 Michigan
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    I’ve seen it go for ~ 0.5 VR units.
     
  6. John_M

    John_M Poo-Bah (6,597) Oct 25, 2003 Oregon
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    These "pre-trade" valuations always puzzle and fascinate me. There's no telling how many bottles are going to be produced (the RR blog simply noted that people participating in the younger release event would be able to buy up to 2 bottles - so conceivably there could be thousands of bottles), and it's anyone's guess what quality is going to be like (as RR has never bottled younger before). At this point I haven't even seen any information on a retail price for the beer (going to guess it will probably be in the $10 range).

    Just seems weird to me that there's already so much interest in obtaining this beer in the trading world (but then I was equally shocked by how much people were willing to shell out for the initial release of Great Notions BBDS... until the beer was actually released and the value dropped like a rock).
     
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  7. Rustytacos

    Rustytacos Aspirant (226) Mar 19, 2018 California
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    Someone was offering prop19 and 2 year reserve I believe.
     
  8. Rustytacos

    Rustytacos Aspirant (226) Mar 19, 2018 California
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    Exactly this point I was making on a past post. I wouldn’t mind trading for what someone was asking but at the same time who knows what’s going to happen when it does get released. I mean who is going to open a bottle before they trade it and find out if it’s actually as good as it is on draft? Also the bottle count hasn’t been announced and how many they plan on selling per day. They only announced that you have to wait in line for drafts in order to purchase bottles, which would only be 2 pp per day. But PtY will always be one of those beers that will always be sought out and many will never be able to try it until now without visiting RR.
     
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  9. masilva48

    masilva48 Initiate (94) Sep 30, 2014 California
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    Happy New Year BA!

    I’m interested in trading for There’s a Snake in my Shews and/or Blue Suede Shews. Would love some help on what these trade for. I haven’t traded in a while and don’t know much about trade value for mead.

    Here’s a few bottles I have to trade: Clover (b1), Vanilla Rye, Fundamental Summation, Pugachev Mocha (2014), SARA 6th Anniversary, Churchill’s Finest Hour, Bourbon County Rare (2015). Could hit the PtY release in a few weeks.

    Any guidance would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
     
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  10. putonyourwalkingshoes

    putonyourwalkingshoes Devotee (430) Jul 31, 2013 California
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    This is a tough one to land that I myself have tried to inquire about on the 2019 forum. I'm not sure the value on clover b1 over b2. I would assume it's higher just like Zenne b1 over b2. Would think that would be pretty close 1:1 maybe adding in the Rare. Sadly I don't think those other beers on your last would gauge much interest. Maybe reach out to the RyanMcFly trader who I've seen trade more Pips than anyone on here. I would think a more direct approach would be a better way of going about it. And sorry in advance to the Mcfly guy if you get an offer of zero interest.
     
  11. putonyourwalkingshoes

    putonyourwalkingshoes Devotee (430) Jul 31, 2013 California
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    I think prop 18 x2 would be needed for a prop 19 even after prop 19 has leveled off a bit. Tete 15 is def more valuable than 16. Both difficult as shit to land but then again it's upper tier side project. Assassin 19 should be pretty close 1:1 on Tete 16. Pretty $4$ too as i understand. How quick did assassin go after they announced that limit 1pp online suddenly?
     
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  12. Michaelpro824

    Michaelpro824 Initiate (122) Nov 27, 2015 New York
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    my understanding is clover b2 was better than b1. For example b1 was offered + jammy and one key for b2, 3:1 and I believe closed as posted or close to it.

    edit to add I’d think clover would get you snakes+ and be pretty close to BSS, prob be over if offered with VR. I know more about HF than mead but could be off
     
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  13. masilva48

    masilva48 Initiate (94) Sep 30, 2014 California
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    Sounds great, thanks for your help. Have a nice weekend
     
  14. jheimbigner

    jheimbigner Defender (699) Apr 18, 2015 Washington
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    Adding to this - the reason batch 2 trades higher than batch 1. Batch 2 was 1 pp vs 2 pp for batch 1. Additionally, batch two was a blend of Ann and Art, while batch 1 was a blend of Ann, Art, and Flora - people tend to prefer the higher ratio of Ann and Art.
     
  15. bret27

    bret27 Crusader (770) Mar 10, 2009 California
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    I hate to bring it back to pty but out of curiosity does anyone think it would land one of the top 10 imperial stouts on ba? I’m not sure I’ll actually do the work to go get it, but that would definitely be incentive.
    (To be honest I don’t know what 90% of the trade abbreviations mean.)
     
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  16. Leftofthedial

    Leftofthedial Disciple (397) Nov 17, 2011 California
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    As others have stated, there’s so little known about the release, that guessing what people will be offering a month from now is a total crapshoot. Here’s my best estimate, but take it with a giant grain of salt:

    #1 KBBS - No way
    #2 DB Huna - People seemed to be wanting to get rid of b2, so maybe multiples would have a shot at b2? B1 no way.
    #3 BA Abraxas - Possibly multiples for 2019 BAA, it seems to be less highly regarded than other vintages. But still you would need to get very lucky
    #4 Mornin Delight - Yeah there’s a chance though I don’t think it would be 1:1
    #5 SR-71 - No way
    #6 FO - Yes
    #7 CBS - Yes
    #8 Assassin - No
    #9 BCBS - Yes
    #10 KBS - Yes
     
  17. bret27

    bret27 Crusader (770) Mar 10, 2009 California
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    Thanks for the info. # 6,7,9,10 are on the shelves here anyway.
    The question is if I’d drive 2.5 hours each way and camp out in line on my day off for little chance of the other big boys? Answer: Nope. Not willing to make the effort.
     
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  18. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Zealot (554) Apr 8, 2017 Indiana
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    Not trying to encourage you to do something you do not want or anything like that, but there are a LOT of excellent BA stouts (if that is specifically what you are after) that you could land with some PtY unless the release just ends up being easy as easy can be to land bottles. Even still, I suspect you could land some really nice BA stouts.

    It’s mostly unreasonable in 2020 to land top BA stouts with an IPA - no matter what it is. This is true for even Juice Machine, King Juilius, Kiiinnnggg Jjjuullliuuuusss, etc. it just doesn’t happen really anymore. BUT, people still trade a lot of expensive and nice stouts out for them, just not the absolute top. But you’re talking about beers with, perhaps, an average rating of 4.8 vs other beers that you COULD land with maybe an average rating of 4.5.

    If your goal is to try NEW, awesome stuff, go get them. It will be worth it. Hell, I want to land a single bottle for my dad (ideally alongside a PTE and Blind Pig), but I can’t pay a 2015 Rare for a single IPA. What I can do is offer up some other nice, world class BA stouts that don’t exist out there. (This is not me marketing to you, although I’d be happy to trade with you, but more me half-ranting that the absolute top (10) BA stouts in the world is NOT the end-all-be-all.)
     
  19. Michaelpro824

    Michaelpro824 Initiate (122) Nov 27, 2015 New York
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    As we speak there have been multiple ‘FT Fundamental Forces b2 ISO Tree House cans’ posts asking not much worse than $4$ so that still very much exists. Crazy but true.
     
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  20. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Zealot (554) Apr 8, 2017 Indiana
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    My point was more that that is a far cry away from OG Rare for 1 Can of juice Machine
     
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  21. TurkeysDrinkBeer

    TurkeysDrinkBeer Initiate (80) Sep 8, 2018 Virginia
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    Damon '19 for Pallbearer '19. 2:2 Thoughts on this?
     
  22. putonyourwalkingshoes

    putonyourwalkingshoes Devotee (430) Jul 31, 2013 California
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    Yeah listen to these guys. Hill Farmstead is a tough one to gauge values on. I stand corrected about the batches.
     
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  23. putonyourwalkingshoes

    putonyourwalkingshoes Devotee (430) Jul 31, 2013 California
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    I had the DB Huna b2 a year after it was released and loved it. One of my top 5 of whatever you can call that style. It's gonna be harder to land and more over it's prob a gamble not getting one of those green pepper bottles. I def don't think it is an infection think but additionally I wonder how a stout like that ages if it's a "good bottle". It's gotta be going on ~4 years?
     
  24. bret27

    bret27 Crusader (770) Mar 10, 2009 California
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    Is B1 or B2 meaning batch 1 and 2?
    The good news is I don’t really know what I’m missing with all the variations on the great beers. Especially with the big stouts there’s so many different versions with special releases, ingredients, and years.
     
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  25. MattOC

    MattOC Disciple (387) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    I’ve kept track of HF Ann trades in the past, there were a handful posted. Any idea where it is now, 2019 release, relative to trading it for stouts like BBT batches and Derivations? Thanks.
     
  26. jheimbigner

    jheimbigner Defender (699) Apr 18, 2015 Washington
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    Looking to trade away or aquire one?

    There was a post on dec 19th ISO Ann and was offering d13 + BBT b3 + morning vibes. It did not close.
     
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  27. MattOC

    MattOC Disciple (387) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Thanks. I’ll take a look at that one.
     
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  28. TurkeysDrinkBeer

    TurkeysDrinkBeer Initiate (80) Sep 8, 2018 Virginia
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    HF Damon 19 ×2 for The Veil Pallbearer 19 ×2. Fair trade or should someone be adding a plus?
     
  29. MattOC

    MattOC Disciple (387) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Limits/price on pallbearer?

    If similar, then seems straightforward and just need to find a dance partner.
     
  30. MattOC

    MattOC Disciple (387) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Went back. Maybe I overlooked it. Didn’t find it. Have a link, user profile?
     
  31. jheimbigner

    jheimbigner Defender (699) Apr 18, 2015 Washington
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    Sorry, did not clarify - that was on STL craft burrito on FB.
     
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  32. MattOC

    MattOC Disciple (387) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Gotcha. Thanks. I don’t have/use FB.
     
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  33. jheimbigner

    jheimbigner Defender (699) Apr 18, 2015 Washington
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    Besides the offer I quoted, I have not seen much either way for Ann. I expect the value to be just around an eagle rare 17. If you are not familiar with bourbon, look that one up on Wine searcher.
     
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  34. TurkeysDrinkBeer

    TurkeysDrinkBeer Initiate (80) Sep 8, 2018 Virginia
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    2pp @ $25 per for Pallbearer. Haven't had any HF stouts so honestly not familiar with their value and what is hard to get but was approached with the trade.
     
  35. MattOC

    MattOC Disciple (387) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Seems reasonable. This latest Damon was 2pp/$30 (500 ml bottle).

    I always view these as basically 1:1. Same limits, similar price tag, willing trade partners. Maybe a couple of Veil cans to even out money, but if they came to you, seem to be fine with the difference.
     
  36. TurkeysDrinkBeer

    TurkeysDrinkBeer Initiate (80) Sep 8, 2018 Virginia
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    Thanks for the insight! This was very helpful
     
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  37. MattOC

    MattOC Disciple (387) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    You’re welcome. Good luck.
     
  38. Fermented-nate

    Fermented-nate Initiate (107) Sep 15, 2013 California
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    Still not sure Ill try, but would a Lou Pepe Gueuze (2009 sticker) + Fundamental Forces b2 pull a Maman 2019? To me the LPG should be enough, but I would think the Maman side needs to win.

    I would love to try a big boy stout, but part of me thinks it may not be worth it. Maybe I should just trade the FF b2 for a few bottles of Central Waters 22 instead......

    Thanks in advance for any help.
     
  39. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Aspirant (295) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    That's really surprising. I've had it 3 separate times and for me dbHuna b2 was just trash.

    To the person you replied to....ymmv
     
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  40. D09daryl

    D09daryl Initiate (107) Mar 11, 2017 California
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    Probably