Trade Value Thread (2020)

I second this, wouldn't wish DB Huna on my worst enemies

 

I remembered having b1 next to fresh b2. We drain poured b2 and couldn't get enough of b1.

But at this point hard to imagine b1 holding up well. I could be wrong

 

I've done a number of trades, but they were always 1:1 or $4$, and this is my first time with a bottle of some value. I figured I'd check here for a little insight into how to handle this potential trade. I have a bottle of Voodoo's Aphotic that I'm looking to trade. I'm interested in finding a bottle each of the The Veil's Pallbearer and The Curse of Satisfaction. I figure I'll need a plus on my end, but how much of a plus? Options for that would be Endless Ending(Anchorage), Brandy Barrel Black Falls(Jackie O's x Burial collab), BA Origin of Darkness(Voodoo x Collective Arts collab), and I also have access to fresh Dancing Gnome ipa's for smaller pluses. I've seen Aphotic close for a bottle each of Perennial's BA Vermillion and Unicorn Tears. I've also seen it close for 2 bottles of Appervation. Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

I can't seem to find this beer. What is it?

 

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/13371/455167/

 

@MattOC posted the BA link and here is the Untapped link:

https://untappd.com/b/voodoo-brewing-company-aphotic-aged-in-buffalo-trace-bourbon-barrels/3591221

"We are beyond excited to introduce another new beer we’ve been patiently waiting for over two years to share with you. Simply put, αphotic is the darkest beer we’ve ever made. From the Greek ἀ- + φῶς "without light", we took inspiration from the zone of the ocean which less than 1% of light penetrates. This 12.3% American Imperial Stout was designed not only to be incomparably dark, but to also allow unbridled depth of barrel character to shine and to showcase thoughtful adjunct additions. This first batch of αphotic was aged 23 months in Buffalo Trace Bourbon barrels."

 

Thanks @MattOC

I don't have an answer to your question, however, I wish I was a veil trader. I've never had a voodoo stout, but if there ever was one up my alley, it would be this one. Goodluck to you, and if you want anything else, shoot me a PM

 

Would a BBTb3 land a ADWTD DO or TO? What are the most desirable variants? Or should I focus on the regular batches?

 

I seem to recall someone recently mentioning that ADWTD DO would be a little under Prop 14 in trade value (ie Prop14 : ADWTD DO & a +). That would imply you could get 3ish DO for a BBT B3, although finding someone with 2-3 at this point seems like it would be tough. -Let alone someone that wants to give that many up. BWs are tougher to pull than stouts - that generally seems to be the rule. King Henry was always tougher to find for trade than OG Rare despite OG Rare having more trade value.

Can’t offer any insight to TO.

 

Thanks Darwin. I'm looking for a big barleywine, non-adjunct BA stout or single adjunct BA stout (vanilla, coconut, just no maple/cinnamon/coffee). Possibly big lambic.

So ADWTD is on the radar, but seems like I may be able to get a full set for BBTb3?

What about......

Assassin 13
SR-71
Handjee 16 (is this the more desirable one?)
Magic Lambic

 

Recent TO trades have been above bbt3 value. It is closer in value to bbt2

 

Wow. And these are 375's, correct?

Anyone think that TO is worth the price of admission over a DO?

 

I'll try to answer all of your posts in this one as best I can from my experience.

1) I would say you are looking at 2+ ADWTD DO for your BBT b3. I think you are looking at BBT b3+ for ADWTD TO. I don't think TO is quite at BBT b2 levels (though I could be wrong) but it's definitely higher than BBT b3 imo. Yes, all bottles are 375s.

2) You'd need at least 2x BBT b3 for the whole set and even then you're looking for "the right set of eyes".

3) As far as Assassin 13 and Handjee 16 (yes this is the most desirable one), I also think you'd be looking at least 2x BBT b3 and more than likely needing a plus on top of that to land either. I think for SR-71 b2 you would need 1+ BBT b3 but I don't think the plus would need to be huge (I've seen SR-71 b2 trade 1:1 for BBT b2 several times in the past to give you an indicator). I don't know much about Magic Lambic value wise so no comment there from me.

4) Going back to ADWTD, While I do personally think TO is better than DO, I don't think the difference is that big and for what it takes to acquire both, I'd go for DO personally myself. When I had TO at a share, there were even a few people there that though DO was better overall anyway, and I could see why they would think that because DO is really awesome, if that tells you anything.

For the record I do not own any of the bottles mentioned in this post so have no personal vested interest in the values of anything on here. Hope that was somewhat helpful. Cheers.

 

I ended up closing this trade in a facebook group. The final trade ended up being:

Voodoo Aphotic, Anchorage Endless Ending, Collective Arts x Voodoo Origin of Darkness
for
The Veil's Pallbearer, Willet Sleeping Forever, The Curse of Satisfaction

After doing a little bit of research this seems pretty close to $4$ in terms of secondary market value. The Aphotic and Pallbearer seem about equal, and so does the Endless Ending and Willet Sleeping Forever. I couldn't find any secondary market values for The Curse of Satisfaction to compare unfortunately.

 

Would a prop 19 for prop 17 trade be even? Or would one side need to add?

Thanks in advance!

 

I'd think 17 would need to add. It's a shell of its former self.

 

Thanks! Been looking for a 17 prop and reserve, trying to figure out what to all offer.

 

Bourbon question, I've been trying to trade a ORVW 10 & Lot B for WLW & Stagg Jr (or at least some plus beyond WLW) and only finding people who want to do it straight up 2:1. I'm used to bourbon traders just going straight off secondary and anytime they can make a buck they'll do it. I know what the secondary value on all of them typically is and what I proposed is only even if you take the lowest end of the range for the value of my bottles and the highest end of the range for the WLW. Doing it 2:1 obviously just makes it worse.

What am I missing? Is it that much harder to "trade up"? Am I somehow wrong on secondary values despite seeing the same prices consistently? The last guy to contact me asked what I valued my bottles at and when I responded with ranges from what I'd seen bottles go for in the past few months he never responded again. Am I wrong about bourbon traders being willing to make any trade that they come out even slightly ahead?

If it was beer I wouldn't worry as much and might just do it 2:1 but I have an issue losing out on retail price, secondary value, and ounces, all in the same trade.

 

I can’t help much with your question, but your experience mirrors my own somewhat. I’ve found that Bourbon trades much ‘higher’ for beer here than it does for other bourbon in my experience, and lower for other bourbon here than elsewhere.

 

I had 17 a couple months ago and felt it was still stellar