Trade Value Thread (2020)

Thank you for the reference - greatly appreciated.

 

2009 Cable Car... Thoughts?

Used to be the most sought after batch (besides Kriek)... but I haven't hunted whales in a while.

 

The secondary on each is around the cost of those bourbons yes. Trade wise I haven’t seen much movement, just sales

 

Thanks!

 

Does a regular Damon pull a LPK or LPF?

 

No to the LPK - will need around 2.5 Damon's for that. LPF needs a plus probably around a BG&E

 

There's definitely more of those MT bottles produced this year. Having said that the EC BP I've found in San Diego so it shouldn't be hard for a MT trader to find these in the right liquor store. $4$ they are right on the money going 2:1 MT: bourbon

 

I'm looking for a bottle(s) of bourbon for my brother in law, but don't know values at all. I'm looking at GTS, THH, ER17 or maybe something in the Pappy family. I'm guessing these bottles are all in different value ballparks.

The main anchors for me would be 2014 Prop, Vanilla Rye (OG owner), 2015 Rare, JW B1 Label Us Notorious and the recently released Barclay Dimensions of Time / 4 Horseman.

Any suggestions are welcomed.

 

You can probably group those into 3 tiers of obtainability:
Tier 1 (lowest): THH, GTS, ORVW, Lot B
Tier 2 (middle): VWFRR, Pappy 15
Tier 3 (highest): ER17, Pappy 20, Pappy 23

For Tier 1 you’re probably looking at 2 to 4 of your bottles for one bourbon bottle. And Tiers 2 and 3 are probably unobtainable with the bottles you listed.

 

Got two of the new Voodoo BM White Wax. One is already going to a great trading partner $4$. Trying to figure out if I want to keep the other to drink or trade it for something on my wish list in my quest for the Top 100. Would it trade 1:1 for anything like BAA? Fou Foune? Framboise du fermier? Any feedback appreciated. Don’t want to under or over value it.

 

Have you had it? Draft? If so, go for it. If not, ...why aren’t you drinking it?

I’m probably alone in the camp of I’ll never trade something I haven’t had to get something else. I don’t get that. To each their own. Good luck.

 

I see a lot of people asking about LPG/LPK/LPF. The right person (not the majority of profiteers) will be willing to trade at $4$. Speaking from experience.

Elmer T. Lee and Weller 12 can be had at $4$. Speaking from experience.

DBH (and regular Huna) can be had at $4$. Speaking from experience.

Cable Car, BAA, and DDG can be had for the right Allagash bottles. Speaking from experience.

Pappy can be had at $4$ with the right trader. Speaking from experience.

BCBS Rare '15 can be had at $4$. Speaking from experience.

RHF can be had at $4$ (and is entirely overrated). Speaking from experience.

Marking bottles up 500% to try to squeeze every last ounce of beer or bourbon out of someone is a real dick move. Fact.

Instead of trying to make a profit on every single rare bottle you have, consider sharing them with others who may not be able to get their hands on such bottles. Sure, if both traders are happy with the deal, then get something nice for a limited bottle every once in a while. The whole, "Well there's no way someone will trade you X for XX, you'll have to add XXXXX + X and X to close that", is just ridiculous and entirely arbitrary. B:B:T costs about the same (at the brewery) as two normal BCBS variants. Why are you trading it for 10 times that? You've had it before? You're not interested in keeping it? What harm will come from letting it go at close to equivalent sticker value, for something awesome that you can't normally get? You aren't actually losing anything by doing so. Arbitrary secondary values don't benefit anyone, but the people looking to entirely monopolise the value standard for such beers, and auction them off to the highest bidder. What ever happened to the true spirit of trading? It has become a stock market, with who can get the most for this or that? I know my opinion is unpopular, but man, I can't be the only one who just enjoys sharing the damn beer with good people. I gave into "secondary value" for a bottle of mine like one time, and I still feel guilty about it. If I had regular access to all the crazy "whales" I would honestly just trade them at $4$ and expect to get equally rare beer in return. And I'm not well off - I could absolutely benefit from ripping people off like that, but I have a conscience.

That's all I have to say Keep up the good work!

Remember - the real beer karma comes from generosity.

 

@SierraNevallagash didnt want to respond to the whole thing

You’re forgetting that people are willing to over pay so they can get the whales and that leads to others asking the same or more for that particular whale. I think you already realize what being a good trader is and therefore reaped the benefits by the looks of it. Honestly it’s best to keep it it yourself and let actions speak for themselves. I have a few traders that I trade with and it’s always $4$ regardless of the perceived value. I try to hook my good traders up and what ends up happening is that they always try to one up me. Go figure right.

Another problem is that when a group of people get fatigued another group of traders take their place and the cycle continues on over paying. Once people start to realize there are good beers being produced everywhere then maybe this madness will slow down.

On a side note I’m looking for a maman 2019 $4$ hopefully for some bud light seltzer maybe someone can help me out. A guy can dream right?

 

I'm always looking to add more LPK to my drinking lineup. What was your $4$ trade for the LPK? Super curious to see if I could make it happen too.

 

I very well may keep it to drink, just because it’s Voodoo and their reputation. But honestly I’ve been getting into and enjoying good saisons and sours more lately, and would probably just prefer a rarer bottle of that over a stout. I have about 15 pretty good (not top 50, but very good) stouts in my cellar right now as it is, and unless I have at least 1 other person to split it with, I just don’t enjoy opening most of those by myself. A saison or sour? No problem. Yes I know I listed BAA, but that’s a top 5 beer so if I can get it I certainly won’t say no. But honestly I’d be looking more for a harder to get saison or sour IF I’m trading it at all

 

Are you speaking from experience?

 

I fully acknowledge that people are willing to overpay. However, I don't think this is a chicken or the egg scenario. I think people are willing to overpay, because some seriously greedy people way back when realised that they could artificially inflate the value of some select bottles, thereby establishing a sort of monopoly on the beers. Who would someone else let a Derivation go close to retail for a bottle he really wants that's similar in price and hard to get when he heard Johnny Bottlebutt in Missouri is getting 8x that? It establishes a cycle, and a fear of missing out - or rather, a perceived fear of "settling", when they know they're capable of getting exponentially more. At that point, is it really a trade, or it is a sale? Someone is dying to get their hands on that Derivation, and they know the only way then can is by selling their organs, so they agree, and establishes the expected turnover.

I hear you ask me to keep it to myself, but I feel the need to address this. Many of these bottles CAN and HAVE been obtained in $4$ trades, and i want people to know this. If I can save even one person for having to part with their most prized bottles or burn an entire paycheck on a bucket list beer of theirs, then I will scream it from the rooftops. I just hate to see people taken advantage of, when there are more realistic, more generous, and more enjoyable trading options. I'm not trying to virtue signal here. I simply want others to know that they needn't give in to these highest bidder wins auction trades.

I hope you're right, I really do. Reputation is one thing. Quality is one thing. However, when hype is the single driving force behind the value of beer, I honestly think something needs to change. There might be a local BA coffee stout that blows KBBS out of the water, but is anyone going to trade their B:B:T for it? Even if they taste it and acknowledge that it's better? Not a chance in hell. Isn't that odd? I completely understand, and I too buy into much of the hype. We all do, to an extent, however it should not be the primary factor in what something is worth. If you have that much cash to burn, and it doesn't negatively affect you, then thats great, but for every one of those guys, there are 100 more who will never have a shot in hell at getting one of those bottles. That isn't the true spirit of this community.

While I appreciate the humour, I think (hope) you understand that when I say "$4$", that doesn't mean, "I'll send you a Maman, send back $70 worth of whatever.". No, of course it has to be something great, something limited, and something out of their reach, with at least some degree of demand and allure. In that scenario, I fail to see why both parties can't win there.

 

I actually haven't accepted it yet. It's a pretty recent offer, and I need to take a break from trading to recover some funds. The offer is open, and it is already established that we will pick it back up in a few weeks or so. I'll likely take LPG over K and F (he has all 3, plus many others), but it's just going to be for some local hops - Swish, Dinner, some other Bissell IPAs, and I offered to include a brewery-only Allagash bottle of his choice. I also chatted with another great guy with an amazing lambic cellar who told me he would be willing to trade at cost for some fresh higher-end New England hops. You find a trader like that, and I don't think you'll struggle at all to strike a deal. Some people just have crazy amounts of beer, and just want to share. Hell, Funk Factory is in WI, isn't it? I wouldn't doubt that would land it with the right person!

 

Not alone. I'm the same. Not trading a beer I've not had

 

One data point but it appears that a couple of trades have been completed (1:1) for Orange BM on FB.

edit - looks like Blue BM closed for White + Orange in a trade thread on here