Trade Value Thread (2023)

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by The_Gingerbeard_man, Jan 4, 2023.

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  1. bret27

    bret27 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,064) Mar 10, 2009 California
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    It’s funny you mention that. I hadn’t read the full article and tried to go back and find it, and realized it must have been deleted. I was kind of surprised they deleted it because Todd posted some DDB content and said how much he liked him within the last year.
     
  2. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    Obviously I can only guess here because the mods would rather not explain their thinking behind the deletion, but it certainly makes the moderation come off as **hilariously** thin-skinned when they feel the need to delete anything even slightly critical of BA.

    Anyway, I’ll cut it out now because this convo is bound to be deleted anyway. Cheers!
     
  3. wisconsinbeer1

    wisconsinbeer1 Pundit (822) Nov 11, 2004 Wisconsin
    Trader

    Would a Fou Foune and Endless Ending be enough to land a 2022 BBT?
     
  4. wisconsinbeer1

    wisconsinbeer1 Pundit (822) Nov 11, 2004 Wisconsin
    Trader

    This has been going on for a long time. Probably around 10 years ago you could barely say anything without getting a “warning” and banned or given a break. Drove a lot of people away or made them visit the site less often, myself included.
     
  5. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    No, you're only about halfway there. Endless Ending doesn't really have any secondary value (at least to someone holding a BBT) and Fou is like a third of the way there alone.
     
  6. wisconsinbeer1

    wisconsinbeer1 Pundit (822) Nov 11, 2004 Wisconsin
    Trader

    Oof. Appreciate the help.
     
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  7. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah sorry, wish I had better news. Non-seasonal Cantillon like Racine, Drogone, or Sang Bleu is probably a better starting point. That said, at least you have a Fou still (hands down one of my few favorite beers).
     
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  8. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Bump, Art aficionados? Haven't put any feeler ISOs out yet, will be a few weeks before I can.

    (Btw thanks for the bottle size and date information @beer4miles).
     
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  9. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I'm happy to provide a factual explanation of what transpired.

    There was a mod discussion about the thread in question, and an after the fact determination was made that the members involved hadn't used the trade procedure required under the BA trade guidelines. In other words, no actual trade request was ever established in the trade forum. So it was decided that it was inappropriate to call out the BT in a BT thread. So the thread was deleted.

    Anyway, that's my understanding of what took place.

    I understand the concern about better transparency when it comes to moderator actions (thread and post deletions), but at present there's no workable methodology available to make that happen. Not that I'm aware of at least. In many instances the individual making the deleted post is notified of the reason for the action (deletion), but not always. Often times there's a decision to make a series of deletions because the posts are viewed as too far off topic, too antagonistic, redundant, etc. Before that happens however, we typically have a group discussion about the particular offending thread, get Todd's input on the matter, and then take whatever action seen as appropriate.

    From reading over previous posts in this forum, I'm aware that certain moderator actions may seem random at times, which I think is unfortunate. All I can tell you is that they absolutely are not.
     
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  10. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    First and most importantly, I’m incredibly appreciative of the transparency behind the team’s thinking on these issues. That’s all insightful, and I think expressing it does a lot to instill more confidence and trust from the userbase into the owners and moderators. I’m sure you’d agree… (which is why it’s a little confusing as to why there isn’t a dedicated space to air these kinds of issues out, and in fact I think we’re all surprised that it isn’t immediately deleted and swept under the rug). And again, it doesn’t seem like the team is all on the same page about that, as before I mentioned something here I reached out privately to Todd to, very respectfully, inquire. I received nothing back.

    Anyway…

    1. Re: deletion of BT thread. Yikes. I don’t think I’m alone in thinking that the BT thread shouldn’t have been silently deleted given that rationale. One user relied on another user’s promise and purchased beer for them. The other person reneging is something that others in the community may want to be aware of (even if it doesn’t rise to the level of a ban), whether or not the formal trade function was used.

    2. Re: deletion of content… again, I reached out to Todd privately and received nothing back. I’m still struggling to understand why a moderator thought me posting a Kidd interview mentioning BA and his cancer was “off topic” in a thread about his cancer. I was also banned from participating in the thread, so that I couldn’t even ask there about it again or participate. I’m still banned. Surely you can see why this confluence of factors looks a little shitty to the users (and it sounds like others routinely experience the same), right?

    I wish all on the team shared your feelings about transparency and decision-making but evidence is telling us that that isn’t the case.

    You mentioned that the decision was “absolutely” not random to delete my post and limit my participation… I understand you may not have personally taken that action, but maybe someone could weigh in who did?

    And again, I know this isn’t the appropriate forum for this but there aren’t many safe places to discuss this kind of thing here without getting immediately deleted/banned.
     
  11. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Jesus, so much for my bump.
     
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  12. William_Navidson

    William_Navidson Pooh-Bah (1,557) May 1, 2015 Pennsylvania
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    Lol sorry to immediately overshadow your post with the above dissertation. Bumping so that this doesn’t get lost on the previous page.
     
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  13. Beerbom

    Beerbom Pooh-Bah (1,750) Dec 20, 2014 California
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    yes it was 1/pp and off and on the board for 2 weeks
     
  14. Invinciblejets

    Invinciblejets Pooh-Bah (1,710) Sep 29, 2014 South Carolina
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    Elaborative 6 and 7?
     
  15. Affinity

    Affinity Savant (1,134) Nov 24, 2018 Missouri
    Trader

    3 VRU
     
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  16. bret27

    bret27 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,064) Mar 10, 2009 California
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    Cost was $50/2pack. Probably not a whole lot more than that tbh. At least at this point.
     
  17. nmoe

    nmoe Zealot (510) Dec 18, 2015 Minnesota
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    What would the value of MT Monster Tones and SARA Westly be right now? I'm trying to figure out what Toppling Goliath I would need to offer for both bottles.
     
  18. not2quick

    not2quick Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Dec 1, 2015 Missouri
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    It's tough to say. Seems all beer values have dropped in the past few years. Monster Tones I would say back in the day would get Assassin+ or maybe even ++ and Westly maybe 1:1 with Assassin. These days I would think you'd need Westly+ for Assassin and MT would be 1:1 with Assassin. All in all 1:1 with Assassin for each of your ISO would be fair IMO
     
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  19. Fermented-nate

    Fermented-nate Zealot (649) Sep 15, 2013 California
    Trader

    Is asking for 8 cans (or two 4 packs to make it easier) of Monkish fair for a DBVSOJ + Boss Ryeway? I think that is over $4$ on their end, so maybe Im asking too much? But these are also not local....so not sure how to gauge that.

    I have more beer than money these days, so trying to trade some dark stuff for hops locally. Already tried with my Horus BA member bottles, apparently no one cares about Horus or just no one is trading in-person....or both!

    Thanks for any feedback

    Cheers
     
    #179 Fermented-nate, Jul 6, 2023
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  20. not2quick

    not2quick Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Dec 1, 2015 Missouri
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    Yeah, the monkish definitely costs more, but it's not like you can go and buy the Rev cans on the shelf. So maybe toss in a nice extra or be open to adding a small plus?
     
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