Trade value

Damn i-phone, sorry for the typos.

 

Lol, funny Dave. I made mention of doing one "generous" thing to make a point, I wasn't campaigning to say I'm the most generous BA or anywhere close to it, I'm not. I'm sorry other people haven't "chimed in" to validate my kindness as I'm sure every BA reads every thread. You say "I am sure that you have done the same numerous times for other folks" so I really don't understand what point you're trying to make anyways.

Where do I complain about giving up "two widely distributed, high bottle count beers to get Hunahpus"? Unless you're saying Bourbon Vanilla DL is widely distributed. Even if that was the case, I wasn't complaining about it, I was simply stating those were the only beers I had that would land one. Actually, I have Beat as well, sorry for the lie. Huna wasn't the best example, KH would have been better.

You say "low bottle count". Do you define 10,000 bottles as a low bottle count? I don't. With what SOME people want for a 10,000 bottle release it is easier and cheaper to go to another site. I know you and many others have a problem with that but I also have a problem with what SOME people want for that bottle in the trading forums. (Disclaimer I never have nor ever will sell beer and I have used the other site 3 times? to get beer, one of which was to acquire a bottle for my target in a BIF; you can hate me if you want but at least I'm honest) Again, if whoever has bottle A wants to bitch about some of us going to the other site than perhaps you could lower what your asking for it. Or maybe its because that same person that bitches about going to the other site does so because by going to the other site they don't get the outrageous demands/beers they're looking for.

I'm not saying everyone should be trading their limited release beers for locals. To CLARIFY my point, I was stating that due to what SOME people are asking for certain "limited" release beers it is easier and more economical to go to another site to get said beer. I don't know how many times I've already said it but I don't see a difference between the ebayer selling a beer for profit and a "BA" trading their beer for a ridiculously marked up value. Yeah there may be some people who trade with that person but it doesn't make what they are doing right.

There are alot of people that try to capitalize on hype and numbers instead of good beer for good beer. For example, KH. Here you have a beer that was upwards of 10,000 bottles, I think. The beer wasn't nearly as sought after at release as it is now due to many people not knowing how good it was. So people start searching for it in the trading forum. The more people that search for it the more the value starts to go up and the more SOME people with bottles start asking for it. People with bottles ask more and people start giving more and so it evolves to the point where it is now. A $20 bottle of beer is held on to for dear life in hopes of getting more out of it in the long run. Sure you can say thats the free market and thats how it works and you would be correct. Just like the other site, but instead of using beers I don't have to satisfy these wants, I can use $.

I think that hype and rarity (to a lesser degree) has blinded some people to what beer advocacy is about. I'm not saying I'm completely against trading limited release for limited release but does it how does it hurt (not you personally) to trade a hyped up beer for beers you want that may not be so hyped up? There are other examples but to use KH again. There are plenty of other beers out there with lesser or equal bottle numbers and equal reviews yet there is no way they will trade evenly with KH. I think that's lame. Remember, that bottle of KH still cost $20.

Really, how can some of these people feel good about trades where they are knowingly capitalizing on a fellow BA due to hype/"low" bottle numbers, etc? This isn't limited to just new traders (I've traded with a few noobs lately and they were all generous and awesome) it's also guys that have been around for years.

Oh...and to answer this "What exactly seems fair to you for a low bottle count, brewery only beer"? A trade where both parties are happy and get beers they want regardless of hype or numbers.

 

I undertsand your staying within the community thought because I think thats how many people feel. My problem is you say the Ebay market "is filled with people who have no interest in beers except to use it to make a quick profit". I agree 100% but I also think that there are some, not all, people on this site that do the exact same thing except they have an interest in beer and they profit by asking for way more then what their beer is worth.

I do see why profiteers are bad which is why I may never use that other site again but there are plenty of profiteers on here as well that are getting away with the a different type of proiting.

 

Lol, you hit the nail on the head, just wanted to vent about greedy people. I know not every beer won't happen for me, as stated above, that's fine. I also pointed out how many generous people there are here.

 

I can see how it came cross as me being "butt hurt" but I didn't mean it that way. It was more in reference to how ridiculous some ISO's have become not what beers I can't try. If there's a beer I want that bad there's always another place to go, I'd just prefer not to.

I'm not saying anything that hasn't been brought up before, usually every week. Normally, I try to stay out of these debates but when I saw an ISO for a certain beer and the FT wasn't what some people thought the ISO was worth someone made a comment of "that's just stupid" which sent me into a bit of tizzy, creating this thread.

 

Alrighty then...I hope we can wrap this one up. I vented, ranted, and feel slightly better for now. I thnk anyone who has been on this site long enough eventually lets loose. As I said, normally I keep to myself, but that one post pushed me over the edge. Thankyou everyone for your contributions, whether we agreed to disagree or otherwise. Part of what I really enjoy about this site is the different perspectives, attitudes, etc. other than the DB looking for ridiculous trade offers

Now lets get back to our regularly scheduled programming. I'm sure a topic similiar to this will show up in the next week or two. I'll just try to stay out of it, it's too much work, especially when you're in the minority. There are job interviews and police interrogations easier then trying to defend a controversial topic on BA.

Cheers to All!

BTW. If there are ever any beers you guys want in TX, hit me up.

 

Yeah Dave, I apologize if I misinterpreted you. I don't know you personally but I know enough to know your a good BA. I agree with what you said above.

It's kinda funny, as I was sweating my ass off mowing the lawn in this miserable heat, I was thinking about BA, haha. There have been many of us on here for awhile and although we don't all know each other personally we are familiar with each others views. In matter of fact, there are some people here that I've never even spoke to but I can predict their reaction to a comment, an ISO, a certain beer, etc.

We each have our own opinions and sometimes things can get heated but in the long run most of us are good peeps and BA's. I truly meant what I said earlier about appreciating and respecting everyone's thoughts.

BA reminds me alot of the fire station. This site is filled with great and generous people that initally build relationships on trust (and beer of course). And just like the station, we are probably one of the most diversely opinionated groups of people that love each other one minute and are calling someone out the next. Yet in the long run we still all help each other out with beers, trades, through tough times, etc.

Just like the fire dept, once you have been here long enough you'll get "written up" by a chief aka the bros giving you a warning or time out. Like they say in the dept, if you haven't been written up you haven't been here long enough, haha.

Lol, another comparison (I swear this is my last one) we have "noobs". At the station, they're "rookies". Some come in naive and eager to learn wherea others come in brash with guns ablazing thinking they have this trading thing figured out. There is always some "old vet" quick to correct them. Sometimes in a nice way and sometimes not. The comparisons just make me laugh. This is such a unique "family".

Anyways, I apologize again for misreading your comments and I know your a great BA. Cheers back to ya!

Edit: I know we ( not just me and Dave but all of us) will disagree, agree, disagree, again and again. It's all good in my book. I don't take it personally and I don't hold it against anyone. Cheers BA brothers!